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View Poll Results: Who is the 168th greatest G.I. Joe character of all time? | |||
Taurus | 16 | 25.00% | |
G.I. Jane | 8 | 12.50% | |
Countdown | 5 | 7.81% | |
Big Bear | 6 | 9.38% | |
Drop Zone | 4 | 6.25% | |
Candy Appel | 4 | 6.25% | |
Col. Courage | 1 | 1.56% | |
Chameleon (did I spell it right?) | 5 | 7.81% | |
Tj'Bang | 9 | 14.06% | |
Dee Jay | 6 | 9.38% | |
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll |
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01-09-2015, 12:04 PM | #51 |
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All I can do is follow beef's lead on this. I agree with his reasoning. Shooter didn't appear in any other continuity so I don't think outside ARAH continuity is an issue here. This would be like nominating the "male" Scarlett because for a few seconds in M.A.S.S. Device they thought she was a male pilot before she took off her helmet. |
01-09-2015, 12:06 PM | #52 |
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Real, I guess my thoughts are this - Shooter is shooter. Kind of like Ripcord was black in some continuities and white in others, Shooter is shooter. The differences in characters like shooter and say, dial-tone or doc, where there are both male or female, is that both docs have their own real names and back stories. Likewise, although different continuities, both dial-tones have their own real names and back stories. However, shooter was just a blacked out picture with a file name and no other description until Hama gave the backstory. Whatever we made of shooter would have fell into the marvel continuity, since that is the only place he/she was ever introduced. Then, in the same continuity, Hama wrote her as a female. If you want to discard that origin and consider him a male, character, that's cool, but I guess to me, it's still the same character. If anyone else has some input in this discussion, feel free to voice it.
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01-09-2015, 12:15 PM | #53 |
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Per JJ's advice....
Add Male Sacrlet! I kid, I kid.
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01-09-2015, 01:43 PM | #54 |
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I totally agree with beef, re:Shooter. There is just no male version of Shooter who has ever existed substantially.
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01-09-2015, 02:15 PM | #55 |
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And because the face is obscured, we just can't be sure it even was a male in the first issue. Even though the skin's not dark, we can't be sure it wasn't a deeply undercover operative who didn't have their real picture on the computer file.
Good thing there's (virtually) no time travel in G.I. Joe. I'd hate to do a Back to the Future poll and have to sort out if young Biff, old Biff, 1985 Biff, new 1985 Biff and alternate 1985 Biff are all separate characters... Last edited by JediJones; 01-09-2015 at 02:18 PM.. |
01-09-2015, 02:27 PM | #56 |
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It would be like nominating Destro as a "Mystery Character" from the TV commercial (when he was in shadows) and calling him a different character than Destro, who was revealed to be Destro in issue #11. Or nominating the characters on the cardbacks in the shadows or explosions as different (imagined) characters than who they turned out to be.
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01-09-2015, 02:31 PM | #57 |
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Red Dog got 5 noms this round but he DID NOT EVEN NEED ONE NOM this round to be the winner.
Current noms: Red Dog 42 Dragonski 36 Heavy Water 36 Skidmark 35 Overlord 32 Dial Tone (female) 31 Gamesmaster 31 Professor Appel 31 Sparks 31 Firewall 30 Lightfoot 30 General Rey 29 General "Iron Butt" Austin 28 Hector Ramirez 24 Overkill (robot) 24 Iron Klaw 23 Nunchuk 22 Topside 22 Shadow Tracker 20 Dojo 20 Dr. Burkhart 19 Wraith 17 Payload 17 Stormavik 15 Crosshair 14 Free Fall 13 Body Bags 12 Maverick 11 Skydive 11 Altitude 11 Hardball 11 Skullbuster 11 Crimson Asp 10 Ghostrider 10 Aleph (Night Creeper Leader) 10 Lt. Stone 9 Over Kill (cyborg) 9 Sgt. Major 9 Schrage 9 Honda Lou West 8 Vypra 8 Gristle 7 General Blitz 7 Charbroil 7 Wild Card 7 Col. Sharpe 6 Hydro Viper 6 Pale Peony 6 Mangler 6 Rampart 6 Sub-Zero 6 Static Line 5 Airborne (Sky Patrol) 5 Airwave 5 Free Style 4 Burnout 4 Heartwrencher 4 Dogfight 4 Munitia 4 Decimator 3 Night Viper 3 Ronin 3 White Clown 3 Crimson Guard Immortal 3 Captain Mihn 3 Night Creeper 3 A.V.A.C. 2 Cool Breeze 2 corporal Olga from gulag #23 2 Vance Wingfield 2 Lt. Clay Moore 2 Royal Guard 2 Backblast 2 Junko Akita 2 Hiss Driver 2 Blaster 2 Techno Viper 2 Gen Hollingsworth 2 Toxo Viper 2 Blocker 2 Venomous Maximus 2 Stretcher 2 Shooter (male) 2 [DISQUALIFIED] Alice (cartoon) 1 Bat v2 1 Clockspring 1 Hashtag 1 Hi-Tech 1 Krake 1 Laser-Viper 1 Neurotoxin 1 Range Viper 1 Raven (cartoon) 1 Rumbler 1 Super Trooper 1 T.A.R.G.A.T. 1 Teiko (cartoon) 1 T'GinZu 1 Tiny (cartoon viper) 1 Sky Creeper 1 Vapor 1 Obake Obaasan 1 Madame Veil 1 Dr Vandermeer 1 Cobra agent Mara (Sunbow) 1 Selina the water bearer (Sunbow) 1 Lola 1 Tracker 1 Wide Scope 1 Windmill 1 Space Shot 1 Incinerator 1 Razorclaw 1 Red Spot 1 Gallows 1 Grimskull 1 Guillotine 1 Hotwire 1 |
01-09-2015, 02:42 PM | #58 |
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Beef has a brand new baby so I'm not going to be giving him a hard time. I am surprised he lasted this long.
It's hard to run these polls for this long. I would have liked to have all Overkills considered as one to maximize his chances. That doesn't seem to be popular opinion so I am over it. Freestyle is an entirely different character from Shooter. I can't say I was not disappointed when Hama made Shooter a woman since the US military has no female snipers, but Hama is responsible for the twist so there it is.
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01-09-2015, 02:49 PM | #59 |
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The U.S. military still doesn't have jet packs either.
Also, this. First Woman Senior Airman Jennifer Donaldson from the Illinois Air National Guard has become the first woman to be trained at the only U.S. military sniper school open to females. She graduated from the National Guard Sniper School's first counter-sniper course for Air Guard security force personnel on April 14. March is the traditional month for celebrating women's history. April 2001, however, is when 19-year-old Jennifer Donaldson made some history of her own. Last edited by JediJones; 01-09-2015 at 02:52 PM.. |
01-09-2015, 03:44 PM | #60 |
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Shooter as revealed by Hama in Declassified is so dope. She tips a cap to that first computer screen readout. She makes up for no black women in Joe. She answers why there were no snipers in Joe before Lowlight. She quiets the fact that no Joes were KIA until Trucial Abysmia. She explains in part how the Joes got away with hiding under Fort Wadsworth for so long. In hindsight, she might have made it into the poll too soon (for no figure, and so much controversy), but at the time, I thought she was too late!
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