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08-17-2015, 03:12 PM | #41 |
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What brought me to GI Joe as a kid was the Cartoon! Loved it, then I started reading the comic. They also did a thing called advertising, which isn't done with the Joe brand. I'm sure the heads at Hasbro know more then me and that is why they don't put time and money into advertising it. They tried a cartoon and it didn't do well. Yes, it was hard to find. It would be nice for them to do a cartoon and get it on a channel that the majority of households get, then see what happens.
Does Hasbro really care? A few of them, but when stores like Target and Wal-mart are dropping the brand, it's hard to keep pushing it. As a collector of it, I still get plenty IMO. |
08-17-2015, 07:13 PM | #42 |
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I would like to see them bring in famous people again like Sgt Slaughter, The Fridge, and the almost-happened Rocky.
Not a fan of John Cena but he's a huge name in wrestling over the last decade+. Big into supporting the military, and has done more make a wish foundation things than anyone else, I believe. The Rock was already a JOE in the movie, but, hell, just make the Rock himself a JOE. I think CM Punk retained the rights to his name. He would make a pretty good COBRA. He even already has the tattoo. I could even see him turning face and being buddies with Mercer as a sort of anti hero JOE. I don't know anything about sports or sports figures so... Action heroes or the characters they played. Dutch from Predator or John Matrix from Commando, John McLain (Die Hard), James Braddock (Missing in Action), Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China), Frank Dux (Bloodsport), etc... It wouldn't save the franchise on it's own, but it could breath some life into and drum up interest.
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08-21-2015, 10:14 AM | #43 |
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GI JOE should get a new mission role. Rescue and Recovery. Going into a variety of enviroments to help save, recover, possible explore and discover new sitiuations and new allies/adversaries. Its not always about the fight, sometimes its just disaster and accidents and who can help. Thunderbirds is still going strong after 50 years. Their new cgi cartoon is helping, granted a lot of the launch scenes are played and eat up track time, but its tech heavy and doesn't rely on shooting anything. The Hood makes a great villain by employing other groups to mask his true intent. GI JOE could easily fall into this framework. International Rescue having a GI JOE quality/variety of characters from different backgrounds/Hasbro has a lot of molds it can re-use for GI JOE:THUNDERBIRDS. Call it what you like, but it can use the military chain of command and have squads all over the world. Hell, even the Tracys need help now and then.
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08-21-2015, 01:41 PM | #44 |
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GI JOE should get a new mission role. Rescue and Recovery. Going into a variety of enviroments to help save, recover, possible explore and discover new sitiuations and new allies/adversaries. Its not always about the fight, sometimes its just disaster and accidents and who can help. Thunderbirds is still going strong after 50 years. Their new cgi cartoon is helping, granted a lot of the launch scenes are played and eat up track time, but its tech heavy and doesn't rely on shooting anything. The Hood makes a great villain by employing other groups to mask his true intent. GI JOE could easily fall into this framework. International Rescue having a GI JOE quality/variety of characters from different backgrounds/Hasbro has a lot of molds it can re-use for GI JOE:THUNDERBIRDS. Call it what you like, but it can use the military chain of command and have squads all over the world. Hell, even the Tracys need help now and then.
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08-28-2015, 05:16 PM | #45 |
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Join Date: Aug 2015
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Hi everyone,
I've been lurking for a while now, but I've recently taken up more interest in GI Joe and I thought I'd chime in. I loved RAH when I was a kid, and since then I've bought a few Joes here and there. Lately I've become interested in collecting more of them. The "Death of Snake Eyes" storyline caught my eye and I recently re-read every RAH comic from 1 to 216 (which is a lot of work to build up to such a disappointing story!) I was very disappointed to visit TRU and see the only two Joes left in the bargain bin section, not just because it indicates a lack of interest in GI Joe but also because the toys they're putting out now are the best they have ever been. I've been trying to catch up on GI Joe lately, and I agree with the premise that they do best when they return to the RAH roots, and the toys that I am most interested in are (1) RAH characters and (2) realistic military figures. I have less interest in the brightly colored, cartoonish characters (even when I was a kid I liked the more realistic Joes) and I have zero interest in Six Sigma or generic adventure/rescue figures, or any other variation. I bought a handful of the ROC and Retaliation figures, but not as many as I would have if (A) the toys were more like RAH and (B) the movies were not garbage. I also think Joes in general are over-priced, especially the collector exclusives I see being hawked on Ebay and BBTS. (Seriously, I love RAH but I'm not paying $70 for a Billy figure unless its made of solid gold.) I questioned whether my opinion on the subject is even relevant, because as a 33 year old w/ 4 deployments, I am probably not Hasbro's primary demographic for toy sales. But the more I thought about it, the more I came to realize that right now the vast majority of GI Joes I see are aimed at adult collectors. There's also significant debate here (and on some other forums I frequent, like OSW) over whether kids and parents are even interested in spending money on military themed toys. So I would submit this idea: If Hasbro is trying to sell to young children, they are aiming too low. My suggestion is to cut sling load on that and just focus on a teen / adult audience. Here's my reasoning: (1) As an adult I find the 80's era cartoon unwatchable. And yet, I have yet to meet a Joe fan who did not love "Resolute." Why don't they make this an entire TV series? Or put it on Netflix? DC appears to have great success selling direct-to-DVD cartoons aimed at a teen / adult audience, so why not do that? It is very frustrating to see something so genuinely great come out and then... nothing. (2) As much as I love GI Joe, the comics are weak. There have been some good ones sprinkled in here and there, but for the most part they are not nearly as good as the mainstream superhero comics put out by Marvel and DC. The very best Joe comic ever is the "Cobra" miniseries. And my complaint there is the same as my complaint about "Resolute." They made one comic that was grade-A awesomeness and then.... nothing. Why? That's like DC publishing "The Dark Knight Returns" and then deciding they're going to go back to publishing the Adam West Batman. Why are they not publishing comics like this on a monthly basis? (3) GI Joe has never had a strong presence in video games, and in today's market that's inexcusable. The video game market is overflowing with military titles, and they sell like hot cakes. Why can't they make a "Call of Duty" clone, slap a GI Joe coat of paint on it, and sell that? Or how about "GI Joe: Battlefront?" You could do a strategy game like "X-Com" that gives players the option to customize their Joe or Cobra with crazy weapons and uniforms... I would go nuts for that. It seems like a totally ideal platform for a Joe revival, but instead we get "Toy Chest." The missed opportunities here are insane. (4) The movies are terrible. I know that's probably not news to anyone, here, but I think it is very important considering that the big new GI Joe releases have centered around the movies. I hope this year's lack of new Joe content is because Hasbro is gearing up for the 2016 movie releases. ROC was unforgivably bad and completely unrecognizable as a "Joe" universe. Retaliation was an awful movie, but at least I could tell it was "GI Joe." The problem here is not just that the Joe movies are so bad, but that other licensed movies are doing so well. Marvel has obviously got it figured out. James Bond movies are successful even when they are awful, and they have the same weird villains and sci-fi vehicles that would be right at home in the GI Joe story. Michael Bay makes awful Transformers movies, but they still make tons of money. Heck, even the Transformers movies had so many military characters that if you just wrote "GI JOE" on the cover you could hardly have told the difference. So the one point I keep coming back to over and over is that GI Joe could be extremely successful, but they're not trying. They have written excellent comics and made excellent cartoons, but Hasbro seems to want to run away from their successes rather than reproduce them. And my biggest frustration, I think, is that it would be one thing to say GI Joe products are bad and give up on it... Except that so many people in TV, comics, and video games are producing very, very similar products that are wildly successful. I get that I tuned out for about twenty years and I'm just now catching up on my Joe history, but can someone explain any of this to me? Because I really can't understand why we get great stuff like "Resolute" and "Cobra" that receives so much praise but then never gets followed with anything. Last edited by solosam; 08-28-2015 at 05:19 PM.. |
08-28-2015, 07:11 PM | #46 |
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Hi everyone,
I've been lurking for a while now, but I've recently taken up more interest in GI Joe and I thought I'd chime in. I loved RAH when I was a kid, and since then I've bought a few Joes here and there. Lately I've become interested in collecting more of them. The "Death of Snake Eyes" storyline caught my eye and I recently re-read every RAH comic from 1 to 216 (which is a lot of work to build up to such a disappointing story!) I was very disappointed to visit TRU and see the only two Joes left in the bargain bin section, not just because it indicates a lack of interest in GI Joe but also because the toys they're putting out now are the best they have ever been. I've been trying to catch up on GI Joe lately, and I agree with the premise that they do best when they return to the RAH roots, and the toys that I am most interested in are (1) RAH characters and (2) realistic military figures. I have less interest in the brightly colored, cartoonish characters (even when I was a kid I liked the more realistic Joes) and I have zero interest in Six Sigma or generic adventure/rescue figures, or any other variation. I bought a handful of the ROC and Retaliation figures, but not as many as I would have if (A) the toys were more like RAH and (B) the movies were not garbage. I also think Joes in general are over-priced, especially the collector exclusives I see being hawked on Ebay and BBTS. (Seriously, I love RAH but I'm not paying $70 for a Billy figure unless its made of solid gold.) I questioned whether my opinion on the subject is even relevant, because as a 33 year old w/ 4 deployments, I am probably not Hasbro's primary demographic for toy sales. But the more I thought about it, the more I came to realize that right now the vast majority of GI Joes I see are aimed at adult collectors. There's also significant debate here (and on some other forums I frequent, like OSW) over whether kids and parents are even interested in spending money on military themed toys. So I would submit this idea: If Hasbro is trying to sell to young children, they are aiming too low. My suggestion is to cut sling load on that and just focus on a teen / adult audience. Here's my reasoning: (1) As an adult I find the 80's era cartoon unwatchable. And yet, I have yet to meet a Joe fan who did not love "Resolute." Why don't they make this an entire TV series? Or put it on Netflix? DC appears to have great success selling direct-to-DVD cartoons aimed at a teen / adult audience, so why not do that? It is very frustrating to see something so genuinely great come out and then... nothing. (2) As much as I love GI Joe, the comics are weak. There have been some good ones sprinkled in here and there, but for the most part they are not nearly as good as the mainstream superhero comics put out by Marvel and DC. The very best Joe comic ever is the "Cobra" miniseries. And my complaint there is the same as my complaint about "Resolute." They made one comic that was grade-A awesomeness and then.... nothing. Why? That's like DC publishing "The Dark Knight Returns" and then deciding they're going to go back to publishing the Adam West Batman. Why are they not publishing comics like this on a monthly basis? (3) GI Joe has never had a strong presence in video games, and in today's market that's inexcusable. The video game market is overflowing with military titles, and they sell like hot cakes. Why can't they make a "Call of Duty" clone, slap a GI Joe coat of paint on it, and sell that? Or how about "GI Joe: Battlefront?" You could do a strategy game like "X-Com" that gives players the option to customize their Joe or Cobra with crazy weapons and uniforms... I would go nuts for that. It seems like a totally ideal platform for a Joe revival, but instead we get "Toy Chest." The missed opportunities here are insane. (4) The movies are terrible. I know that's probably not news to anyone, here, but I think it is very important considering that the big new GI Joe releases have centered around the movies. I hope this year's lack of new Joe content is because Hasbro is gearing up for the 2016 movie releases. ROC was unforgivably bad and completely unrecognizable as a "Joe" universe. Retaliation was an awful movie, but at least I could tell it was "GI Joe." The problem here is not just that the Joe movies are so bad, but that other licensed movies are doing so well. Marvel has obviously got it figured out. James Bond movies are successful even when they are awful, and they have the same weird villains and sci-fi vehicles that would be right at home in the GI Joe story. Michael Bay makes awful Transformers movies, but they still make tons of money. Heck, even the Transformers movies had so many military characters that if you just wrote "GI JOE" on the cover you could hardly have told the difference. So the one point I keep coming back to over and over is that GI Joe could be extremely successful, but they're not trying. They have written excellent comics and made excellent cartoons, but Hasbro seems to want to run away from their successes rather than reproduce them. And my biggest frustration, I think, is that it would be one thing to say GI Joe products are bad and give up on it... Except that so many people in TV, comics, and video games are producing very, very similar products that are wildly successful. I get that I tuned out for about twenty years and I'm just now catching up on my Joe history, but can someone explain any of this to me? Because I really can't understand why we get great stuff like "Resolute" and "Cobra" that receives so much praise but then never gets followed with anything. |
08-28-2015, 07:24 PM | #47 |
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08-28-2015, 11:40 PM | #48 |
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The decision makers need to "Reboot" the franchise. Find a director like JJ Abrahams or someone who actually grew up watching the ARAH cartoon and played with the toys, to give life back to this franchise. Look what he did with Star Trek, and soon to be Star Wars. Get away from foreign action directors who only care if the fight scenes have enough ninjas and don't care about the story. Get back to what made the line work. The fact is, good movies work. Marvel is laughing all the way to the bank now. But they had a few duds before they figured out that you have to get quality writers, directors, actors, and producers to create a multi-billion dollar franchise. Someone has to figure this out. Executives are to worried about pushing out all this crap so they can make sure they get their golden parachute bonus. Last edited by Big Blue; 08-29-2015 at 04:30 AM.. |
08-29-2015, 12:00 AM | #49 |
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08-29-2015, 09:33 AM | #50 |
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But they had a few duds before they figured out that you have to get quality writers, directors, actors, and producers to create a multi-billion dollar franchise. Someone has to figure this out. Executives are to worried about pushing out all this crap so they can make sure they get their golden parachute bonus.
I would also submit that Marvel hires people who are themselves fans of the property and have a track record that demonstrates that. Joss Whedon not only had a history of producing fan-cult favorites but he had actually written Marvel comics... And those comics were some of the best in years. On the other hand, GI Joe films include apathetic directors and lead actors who hate the movies they are appearing in. This is something I will never comprehend about Hollywood: If your cast and crew actively despise the project, why would you hire them? Why do you think these kinds of people are going to turn in their best effort? Why not hire people who love the franchise already (Warren Ellis) and let them do what they do best? But this isn't how Hollywood works. Hollywood producers put forward their money and tell the writers, "We want a movie with X, Y, and Z." Never mind whether these ideas are what is best for the franchise or even make any kind of sense. Check out Kevin Smith's interviews about the aborted Superman movie for a great example of how this process works.... Or rather, how it doesn't. |
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