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04-13-2014, 10:15 AM | #11 |
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Hasbro should reboot GI Joe with ARAH.
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04-13-2014, 10:17 AM | #12 |
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What amazes me is I have two boys, twins, 9 years old now. Since day one there was SW, Batman, Spiderman, GI Joe and TF once they were old enough to understand and play with them. They never really took to SW, which baffled me b/c SW came out when I was 5 (about the age they kind of first learned about all this) and it changed my whole WORLD then as a kid. From there I grew into GI Joe between ESB and waiting for ROTJ to come out. My two boys? Could honestly care less about SW. :( Now if we were talking alone about how bigger SW is than GI Joe I could easily understand that given it's impact on pop culture and following alone. But not my two, they like it, but could take it or leave it. It did not "rock their world" as it did mine as a kid. :( Gi Joe? Meh, they could take it or leave it, obviously LOVE Snake Eyes (what kid could not? but beyond that could care less. No love for Duke, or Roadblock, Gung Ho, Shipwreck or any of other other more popular Joes. :( Batman? Come on, find me any kid (much less any man for that matter ) who does NOT love the Batman or think he's cool? Please My two are all in for the Batman and then some, have been since day one. Then there's the TFs.............. When their mother and I split up it was right around the time the first TF move had come out. Once we had gone our separate was all I really had at my place they could watch movie wise was the first TF movie and they LOVED it and went bat-sh*t crazy for them!! Who'd a thunk huh? Two five year old boys (then) would LOVE the idea of cars that turned into giant robots who then beat the hell out of each other? What was I thinking!!! Needless to say they have been all in since then, and I had to go out and buy all the movies and all the cartoon DVDs, not to mention then got an education in everything and anything I either did not know or ever could want to know TF wise. Regardless it's still something we've been able to enjoy together and be able to relate about (thank God), but I have to admit I'm a little disappointed still in all the attention the TFs seem to get vs GI Joe now. I can only say the current generation and what I have seen in my own kids is part of the reason why. Maybe it's also b/c the Joes I grew up with came out in a more Cold War / Regan era vs today's society and political land scape, a more "kinder, gentler" kind of world? Oh well, what are you going to do? Thank God for the Batman at least, and long live the Batman and the little boys who grow up to love him.................. Quote:
i think its hasbro and marketing. gi joe in the 80s was huge the cartoon was successful it had money behind it now it doesnt. transformers maybe a gimmick but it's a damn successful one. even the bad tf cartoons like energon and cybertron still worked since they aired on channels everyone could get into. gi joe didn't...and it doesn't help the movies arent' that great in comparison either.
There's a TF cartoon on Netflix now (I know it's been out for a couple of years now before NF) call "Transformers Prime". My two love it and it actually really is GOOD. I would say just as good if not better than I remember the original. There are NOT that many toys in the current TF line. WHY can GI Joe not have the same thing? I personally did not care for GIJ Renegades, but absolutely loved "Resolute". WHY can we not have something as good as that, as good as "TF Prime" is now? >:( Factor in the "Michael Bay" effect you've had with the TF movies, and the Joe movies (neither of which I enjoyed that much) could have been something incredible, and we could have the line we deserve? :( Uncle Larry (Hama) gave us an incredible story line with great characters. It all deserves more than what it has gotten for all of it's heritage, lineage, and what GI Joe has meant to American little boys for the past 50 years, compared to what an idea stolen basically from the Japanese culture to a certain effect has gotten. GI Joe deserves better, again especially as we sit here now on it's 50th anniversary. Hasbro should be ashamed of themselves. >:( . PS - I did at least get this out of my one boy a couple of years ago for Halloween --------- But then of course we also got this out of the other one the same year -------- Oh well, what are you going to do? I did get this a couple of years ago though, and it made my inner geek / childhood memories that much better.
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04-13-2014, 11:02 AM | #13 |
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Heck yeah! Larry Hama !
I met him in 07 @ joecon atlanta he was great, I tried not to geek out it was like meeting Batman My wife tghought I was 'so cute' Later she stalked him as he got lunch For me to get a picture. He had no problem to get a picture with me, I was in the dealer room making a few deals, so I had no idea where she was. I didnt want ' to bother him ' so I didnot go back. Next time I get to see him I will get my pic with him. |
04-13-2014, 11:15 AM | #14 |
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Which is a dead end. GI Joe to the standard collectors want is NOT going to get cheaper, even if we could get kids buying.
Star Wars and Transformers have both suffered to varying degrees, and BOTH are addressing the issue with simpler/cheaper products. GI Joe is not. Quote:
i just feel that hasbro really needs to give gi joe half the attention transformers gets with at least half the effort in order to help it.
If it were any other brand with any other company, we would not have gotten 30th (much less the fucking SKYSTRIKER, or Eaglehawk for that matter) Problem is, GI Joe hasn't reciprocated that support (even with two feature films, which were the primary catalyst for Transformers' success), and we've reached a point where Hasbro's goodwill is used up. Quote:
i like the renegades show and if that hit WB or cartoon network maybe a revival couldve had a chance.
NICK DOES NOT WANT GI JOE DISNEY DOES NOT WANT GI JOE None of them wanted Joe in 2002 when Hasbro was shopping a series around for new sculpt, and since, all have a cadre of in house properties they'd rather support (CN has Ben 10 and DC, Nick has TMNT and power rangers, Disney has STar Wars and Marvel) Quote:
There's a TF cartoon on Netflix now (I know it's been out for a couple of years now before NF) call "Transformers Prime". My two love it and it actually really is GOOD. I would say just as good if not better than I remember the original. There are NOT that many toys in the current TF line.
Kind of proves the point I've made before that being on the Hub is not an issue with the spread of digital sources Quote:
WHY can GI Joe not have the same thing? I personally did not care for GIJ Renegades, but absolutely loved "Resolute". WHY can we not have something as good as that, as good as "TF Prime" is now? >:(
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Uncle Larry (Hama) gave us an incredible story line with great characters. It all deserves more than what it has gotten for all of it's heritage, lineage, and what GI Joe has meant to American little boys for the past 50 years, compared to what an idea stolen basically from the Japanese culture to a certain effect has gotten.
(And it is worth noting that while the original TOYS might have been "stolen" from Japan, the fiction that surrounded them, and arguably gave Transformers its lasting effect, was purely American. The idea of sentient robots was practically unheard of in Japan giant robot material until Transformers) Quote:
GI Joe deserves better, again especially as we sit here now on it's 50th anniversary. Hasbro should be ashamed of themselves. >:(
. Transformers has succeeded over the years because it has changed and adapted, trying new ideas and cultivating new generations of kids with new ideas expanded from a basic core brand principle. More often than not, against the desires of collectors (were collectors in charge, Armada and the movies, the brand's highpoints, would NOT have happened) GI Joe has NOT, from a concept standpoint, changed much, if at all, in over a decade. Even with stylistic and scale changes, GI Joe has been a group of military and a ninja fighting against Cobra with largely the same characters, in the same roles, with the same stories (outside the films, whose little innovation has seemingly been swept under the rug from a toyline perspective). If anything, the brand as almost actively worked AGAINST bringing in new consumers, going back to the scrapping of the 8" kid friendly line for a 4" collector driven line. When the films failed to bring in the kid market, Hasbro kept "on the course" catering to collectors (even scrapping movie accurate material in Retaliation to give use more collector figures not even featured in the film), all while market share continued to fall. GI Joe has stagnated under the yoke of "collectors". Instead of trying new concept or product ideas, it has wallowed in th shadows of past glories trying to remake it to eek a few more dollars from an aging collector base. It is blame we all share, from us collectors harking about remaking this or that from ARAH, to Darryl DePriest, at Hasbro, who supported it.
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04-13-2014, 11:21 AM | #15 |
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It is what it is. A property based on the military and warfare is always going to be heavily subject to societies' current feelings on both.
Those feelings are not dissimilar to what they were in the late '60s. What did they do with Joe then? They evolved into Adventure Team. Hasbro won't do that, though. Whether through willful ignorance, research saying it would do even worse than military G.I. Joe, blind slavery to the ARAH mythos, or a combo of the above, I can't say. Quote:
If anyone should be ashamed, its us, the collectors (both in the fandom and especially at Hasbro) for putting GI Joe into this situation to begin with. Transformers has succeeded over the years because it has changed and adapted, trying new ideas and cultivating new generations of kids with new ideas expanded from a basic core brand principle. More often than not, against the desires of collectors (were collectors in charge, Armada and the movies, the brand's highpoints, would NOT have happened) GI Joe has NOT, from a concept standpoint, changed much, if at all, in over a decade. Even with stylistic and scale changes, GI Joe has been a group of military and a ninja fighting against Cobra with largely the same characters, in the same roles, with the same stories (outside the films, whose little innovation has seemingly been swept under the rug from a toyline perspective). If anything, the brand as almost actively worked AGAINST bringing in new consumers, going back to the scrapping of the 8" kid friendly line for a 4" collector driven line. When the films failed to bring in the kid market, Hasbro kept "on the course" catering to collectors (even scrapping movie accurate material in Retaliation to give use more collector figures not even featured in the film), all while market share continued to fall. GI Joe has stagnated under the yoke of "collectors". Instead of trying new concept or product ideas, it has wallowed in th shadows of past glories trying to remake it to eek a few more dollars from an aging collector base. It is blame we all share, from us collectors harking about remaking this or that from ARAH, to Darryl DePriest, at Hasbro, who supported it.
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04-13-2014, 11:42 AM | #16 |
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Then again, I don't foresee any "Morning in America" to drive a military-based Joe line again. That's political talk, so we'll end that there. |
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04-13-2014, 12:34 PM | #17 |
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You know, I'm going to take a stab at looking at this from a slightly different angle, because I do think regionality has a place in this discussion.
One of the reasons TFs seems to have such a great toy variety is 3rd Party companies. I would say half my TF purchases actually don't originate with Hasbro/Takara. So it seems like new TF product is coming out literally every day (it is,) but a lot of that most desirable product with regular releases isn't even coming from the brand itself. GI Joe, on the other hand, will likely never experience that level of support. I have a hard time imagining a host of companies popping up in China and Japan putting out US soldier toys. GI Joe is really just now seeing 3P product with Marauders and Boss Fight, and Boss Fight even has former Hasbro employees and it's still just now getting out the door with original product. So there's more to it than Hasbro itself. I'd also bet on a lack of international support as well as lack of 3P product driving collector interest as well. |
04-13-2014, 12:41 PM | #18 |
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Yes, largely because Reagan was bringing America back to prominence. We're coming off of over a decade of largely wasted effort in Southwest Asia (sound familiar?). Maybe Hasbro should reinvent the brand again.
Then again, I don't foresee any "Morning in America" to drive a military-based Joe line again. That's political talk, so we'll end that there. Complaining to the corporation didn't help; it took me buying a bunch of figures at another store and then returning them to that particular WM to resolve the issue. |
04-13-2014, 12:42 PM | #19 |
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Yeah but 1982 was only 6 years after the most unpopular war in our history (this is not an invitation to political discussion) and the toys were a hit.
Really? Ok. An adult base who spends WAY TO MUCH on toys than any adult should and we are the problem? We are the only people spending money on this line but it's our fault? Ok chief. Hasbro can't get a kid to pick up a toy line and that's our fault/problem? Wow! I'm not a share holder nor and employee so I fail to see how it's my problem? Hasbro does what we want them to so it's our fault? Really? Hasbro should sent us all a thank you for repeatedly spending money on their product for over 30 years. They aren't welfare, they're a business. YOU'RE WELCOME HASBRO for my business. The simple truth is also obvious: none of that has interested the kids enough and the adult fanbase is either too small or too cheap to support a full-scale, mass market G.I. Joe toyline. Some fans like to retcon the 25th Anniversary as a major sales success, and blame ROC as G.I. Joe's downfall, but they've chosen to forget that the 25th was stagnating at retail for at least a year before ROC, as evidenced by not just personal observations but the fact so much of the later waves hit clearance and showed up at Ross and etc. Fans also like to blame the Retaliation toyline's failure on the movie's postponement and the retail saturation of the earlier, crappier waves. There's a point there, but that doesn't explain why supposed "fan favs", toys fans clamored for (Data-Viper & Kwinn in particular), turned out to be some of the slower sellers from the later, greater waves. Then there's the example of the Skystriker and Eaglehawk... It all points to the same thing, and one can't blame Hasbro for investing capital in brands that have a much better recent track record of performing while putting under-performing brands like G.I.Joe on the back burner. Bottom line, we got some really great G.I. Joe stuff out this run and we ought to just appreciate it. I mean, who in their wildest dreams ever imagined we'd get such highly articulated versions of our favorite characters at reasonable prices? Not to mention the updated vehicles. Or the friggin' MASS device for chrissakes! Hasbro has done more than enough, particularly for the fans, and while it has sometimes bit them in the arse, they've also made money off of it...just not enough, apparently. |
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04-13-2014, 12:52 PM | #20 |
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damn. i just going to say i think hasbro has not handled the gi joe brand well since i cam back on the scene (25th).
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