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04-06-2014, 06:38 PM | #31 |
Hazard Viper
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V1 was cool. He was just a really cool and different figure...V2 changed the game! He was cool, he had a sword and a wolf! He is IMO the coolest action figure ever!
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04-06-2014, 06:50 PM | #32 |
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All of the reasons previously listed in this thread are why we love the ninja commando clad in black. His mysterious past and Larry Hama's development of it creates Snake-Eyes as the SOUL of the GI Joe story.
I also find it amazing that for someone who has had so much bad luck and horrible things happening to him, he could have easily become a villain. Think about his miserable past and everything that has plagued him... from his family being killed on their way to pick him up from the airport, to his adopted ninja clan being destroyed as a result of his joining them, to him losing his face... most other characters who deal with earth shattering things like that usually go "Dark Side" and take out their vengeance on the world. But not good old Snake-Eyes. he has always fought for what was right, despite his pain and what his war against Cobra has brought him. V2 was my first SE figure, and while undone particularly like the ninja angle, I did back then, and I still hafta admit it was a pretty darn cool figure.
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04-06-2014, 07:19 PM | #33 |
Crimson Guard
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I've always been a Snake Eyes fan. Even before reading the comics he was a favorite. Cool unique figure, and even though he wasn't "the man" in the cartoon he was still heavily featured, playing big rolls in the first 3 mini-series and having lots of great appearances in season 1.
But to answer the OP the overwhelming level of Snake Eyes being the number one Joe (by an incredible landslide) has everything to do with the Marvel comics and Hama essentially making him the center of the Joe Universe.... And to be honest as much as I like Snake Eyes and the Hama books, I think this was an unfortunate move. While I love the comics, they were way, way too Snake Eyes focused, to a point that kinda became ridiculous and really undermined the fact that there were other Joes on the team. After a while it seemed to be that Snake Eyes (and his immediate friends and enemies) were the only character that mattered and the fact that every single top Cobra's origins traced back to Snake Eyes really started to become an annoyance. The fact that Cobra as a whole basically existed because of Snake Eyes and that Storm Shadow, Zartan, Cobra Commander, Baraness (and by extension Destro), Firefly etc all existed and joined the Cobra ranks because of Snake Eyes just got to be too much. Why did it all need to center around Snake Eyes? Why not just leave the backstory connection at Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, and maybe mix Zartan in there? Why not let another character shine, and if you want to draw these connections why not spread them out? Why not have Baroness's back story involve someone like Flint or Lady Jaye? If Cobra Commander's origins are due to him wanting revenge on a specific character why not choose Duke or Hawk, or perhaps better yet just have his reasons be his own. Why did Snake Eyes need to be the one to put on a Flint mask and parachute onto Cobra island?.... Why couldn't this actually be Flint? Why did Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow have to be sent in to get revenge on the Saw Viper that killed all the Joes? Why not give that story to other characters (like the three survivors, that would have made more emotional sense). These are just examples, but in the comic there are many moments like this where I found myself saying "I love Snake Eyes, but really does this need to center around him again". As I said I always loved Snake Eyes so I want him to be a top character.... But the comics just took it too far in my oppinion, and honestly Sunbow did of a better job of giving us a balanced Joe team where even though there were a handful of Joes that were treated as bigger stars than others (Duke, Flint, Lady Jaye, Shipwreck, Sgt Slaughter, Scarlett, Roadblock, Snake Eyes, etc). No one was ever treated like the only character that mattered and even the lesser characters got their moments. To answer the 2nd question: why was Snake Eyes given this level of treatment specifically in the Hama books? I think it's because of the medium--in the 80s and 90s comic books were all about superheroes, and if you look at the way Snake Eyes looked and was handled he was basically a superhero. While the other Joes were soldiers and secret agents who's abilities were treated as being on par with a James Bond (something that is more established in film and television) Snake Eyes was a superhero treated on par as a Batman, or Wolverine (something more established and popular in comics at that time). Then add to that the increased popularity of Ninjas in the early 90s and I think that explains why Snake Eyes received such extreme favoritism in the Marvel Universe... He was the one Joe character that seems like he could have just as easily shown up in an issue of Spiderman or Captain America as he could in a book like GI Joe.
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04-06-2014, 07:52 PM | #34 |
Cobra Viper
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You have to realize that the team were all clad in similar green uniforms. Then, there's a mysterious character clad all in black. Visually, it makes him stand out, and we're all wondering why he stands out, it must mean he's cool, he's different, which pushes us to find out why. Also, the origin was stretched out for several years, in bits and pieces, aside from the major reveal in 26 and 27. His face was never shown until #93, which strun g us along. We kept wanting to see the disfigured face, making us coming abck for more. It's that mysteriousness, the intrigue, the wonder that drives his popularity. Plus, I'll never forget when he took out the squad of v2 night creepers in issue 136(?). That was bad@$$!
Also maybe how SE was given new outfits/uniform every few years that included their own stories. V2 got a sword and a cool wolf V3 has a very cool story with SE defeating the Paine bros and stealing their uniforms for his new look. SE also has some fantastic characters in his origin. Storm Shadow, firefly, Zartan, Cobra Commander, they exist to push SE's origin. Baroness too. SE is by far one of the most appealing characters in all of comic/toy culture
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04-06-2014, 07:58 PM | #35 |
Crimson Guard
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Guy with pet wolves here.
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04-06-2014, 08:00 PM | #36 |
Cobra Viper
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Very true. I'm sure most know this but it's easy to see the whole SE origin came from borrowing concepts from 80s ninja movies especially "Revenge of the Ninja" and "The Octagon". Also most of Gijoe and cobra stories are borrowed ideas from previously made movies/shows. A very smart move by Hama.
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04-06-2014, 09:36 PM | #37 |
Desecrator of toys
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He is the man in black intrigue has surrounded him since the first time he was on the shelf, everybody i knew loved him and old stormy as well he was mysterious he didnt follow the norm as per military look . And he was a whimp in the cartoon or rather the movie especially he got bitch slapped by a royal guard in cobra la and he was down .. Shame .. I think he could carry his own movie or video game @ least with just his fan base alone like an animated short at the minimum but a game for sure it would be like the original metal gear games bases all around stealth that would be badass ....
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04-07-2014, 12:28 AM | #38 |
I.O. SpecOps
Join Date: Nov 2007
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I've always been a Snake Eyes fan. Even before reading the comics he was a favorite. Cool unique figure, and even though he wasn't "the man" in the cartoon he was still heavily featured, playing big rolls in the first 3 mini-series and having lots of great appearances in season 1.
But to answer the OP the overwhelming level of Snake Eyes being the number one Joe (by an incredible landslide) has everything to do with the Marvel comics and Hama essentially making him the center of the Joe Universe.... And to be honest as much as I like Snake Eyes and the Hama books, I think this was an unfortunate move. While I love the comics, they were way, way too Snake Eyes focused, to a point that kinda became ridiculous and really undermined the fact that there were other Joes on the team. After a while it seemed to be that Snake Eyes (and his immediate friends and enemies) were the only character that mattered and the fact that every single top Cobra's origins traced back to Snake Eyes really started to become an annoyance. The fact that Cobra as a whole basically existed because of Snake Eyes and that Storm Shadow, Zartan, Cobra Commander, Baraness (and by extension Destro), Firefly etc all existed and joined the Cobra ranks because of Snake Eyes just got to be too much. Why did it all need to center around Snake Eyes? Why not just leave the backstory connection at Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, and maybe mix Zartan in there? Why not let another character shine, and if you want to draw these connections why not spread them out? Why not have Baroness's back story involve someone like Flint or Lady Jaye? If Cobra Commander's origins are due to him wanting revenge on a specific character why not choose Duke or Hawk, or perhaps better yet just have his reasons be his own. Why did Snake Eyes need to be the one to put on a Flint mask and parachute onto Cobra island?.... Why couldn't this actually be Flint? Why did Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow have to be sent in to get revenge on the Saw Viper that killed all the Joes? Why not give that story to other characters (like the three survivors, that would have made more emotional sense). These are just examples, but in the comic there are many moments like this where I found myself saying "I love Snake Eyes, but really does this need to center around him again". As I said I always loved Snake Eyes so I want him to be a top character.... But the comics just took it too far in my oppinion, and honestly Sunbow did of a better job of giving us a balanced Joe team where even though there were a handful of Joes that were treated as bigger stars than others (Duke, Flint, Lady Jaye, Shipwreck, Sgt Slaughter, Scarlett, Roadblock, Snake Eyes, etc). No one was ever treated like the only character that mattered and even the lesser characters got their moments. To answer the 2nd question: why was Snake Eyes given this level of treatment specifically in the Hama books? I think it's because of the medium--in the 80s and 90s comic books were all about superheroes, and if you look at the way Snake Eyes looked and was handled he was basically a superhero. While the other Joes were soldiers and secret agents who's abilities were treated as being on par with a James Bond (something that is more established in film and television) Snake Eyes was a superhero treated on par as a Batman, or Wolverine (something more established and popular in comics at that time). Then add to that the increased popularity of Ninjas in the early 90s and I think that explains why Snake Eyes received such extreme favoritism in the Marvel Universe... He was the one Joe character that seems like he could have just as easily shown up in an issue of Spiderman or Captain America as he could in a book like GI Joe. Snake Eyes is now the central focus of all Joe media. Every new incarnation has to deal with his origin story, but we rarely get origin stories for the other Joes. Resolute, ROC, Renegades, and Retaliation all spent too much time on the SE backstory, instead of, fleshing out the Joe/Cobra conflict better.
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04-07-2014, 04:29 AM | #39 |
endlesssummerofthedamned
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All of the reasons previously listed in this thread are why we love the ninja commando clad in black. His mysterious past and Larry Hama's development of it creates Snake-Eyes as the SOUL of the GI Joe story.
I also find it amazing that for someone who has had so much bad luck and horrible things happening to him, he could have easily become a villain. Think about his miserable past and everything that has plagued him... from his family being killed on their way to pick him up from the airport, to his adopted ninja clan being destroyed as a result of his joining them, to him losing his face... most other characters who deal with earth shattering things like that usually go "Dark Side" and take out their vengeance on the world. But not good old Snake-Eyes. he has always fought for what was right, despite his pain and what his war against Cobra has brought him. Particularly with Snake Eyes who has endured a terrible amount of personal tragedy, he never backed down from what he believed was the right thing to do. Though there's a fair amount of Joe fans that have never read the comics and who still love Snake Eyes. He's a ninja that dresses in black, doesn't speak and has a pet wolf. What's not to like?
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04-07-2014, 12:34 PM | #40 |
The Budget Collector
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He was always my favorite because his V1 figure fit in with all my Star Wars figures too, in fact, in my weird o multiverse he was a bad ass bounty hunter that took on Boba Fett. I also had him in the Tan battle helmet with Steeler's visor, and shortly thereafter I gave him Destros arms.
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