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04-04-2014, 07:55 PM | #1 |
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If you didn't get the chance to read part 1, I encourage you to for context. It can be found here: http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-jo...dreadnoks.html
Part two, The Crimson Guard and former Red Shadows: I like the interplay between the codenames for Overkill and Overlord (but more on that later). As a re-vamp to the Overlord character (as it’s been left fallow like so many others, but seems to have some good potential) perhaps going with Xamot-as-Overlord, the CG commander, could work (Overlord is even stated to be a former CG). This would leave Tomax with the responsibility of heading the corporate wing, as well as research & development, for the sub-group. For CG backstory, aligning them as the evolution of the Red Shadow remnants fits as the two factions slot nicely together. After their defeat and the loss of Ironblood, the Red Shadows reforming as an economic, military and mercenary out-fit (soldiers for hire who also specialize in economic espionage) ties up the loose end of “what happened to the Red Shadows”. Leading this new “Crimson Guard” are Red Vulture and Red Laser, both of whom underwent reconstructive surgery to assume new identities as twins -- being wanted terrorists they’d need new identities in order to function in the corporate sector. -Overlord (Xamot) as Red Vulture: Red Vulture - G.I. Joe Wiki - Joepedia - GI Joe, Cobra, toys -Tomax as Red Laser: Red Laser - G.I. Joe Wiki - Joepedia - GI Joe, Cobra, toys To prevent a similar betrayal that led to the downfall of the original Red Shadows (and keep the trope of the Crimson Twins being telepathically linked), Red Laser implants a cybernetic remote-viewing device to connect the minds of both himself and Red Vulture, granting them a shared consciousness. You’re likely wondering why Red Laser and Red Vulture versus using Black Major, or Ironblood himself to lead the remnants of the Red Shadows, and I’ll get to them both a bit later. First, I’d like to touch on my idea for the Red Shadow (Crimson Guard) forces. Rather than cosmetically altered lawyers, the same tech used to clone Krakens for the Red Shadows could’ve been salvaged by Red Laser and Red Vulture, who eventually created the FRED program (Facsimile RNA Engineered DNA); genetically constructing a peak human, whom they subsequently cloned. Using Brainwave Scanner tech (again, salvaged from the Red Shadows) they then program the clones to not only be military capable, but obedient, economic, legal, and political geniuses, as well. Conclusions: 1.) Crimson Guard as evolution of the Red Shadows -- soldiers for hire who also specialize in economic espionage. 2.) Tomax & Xamot as new identities for Red Vulture and Red Laser. 3.) Xamot as Overlord, the CG commander. 4.) The CGs themselves as genetically engineered clones (FRED: Facsimile RNA Engineered DNA) programmed through Brainwave Scanner tech to be obedient, as well as militarily, economically, legally, and politically proficient.
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04-04-2014, 09:01 PM | #2 |
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I'm not a fan of the concept of turning existing characters (Overlord, Red Laser) into mere alias for more popular characters, nor do I feel the need to tie Red Shadows to the Crimson Guard to begin with.
I prefer the idea that GI Joe is a force that engages MULTIPLE terrorist/bad guy factions, from mere drug running arms dealers to the "conquer the world" groups. Combining Red Shadows with the Crimson Guard I think diminishes both factions. Then again, I'm a bigger fan of a more "traditional" look at the CGs: as Cobra's internal police and elite officers (in today's real world of instant access and omnipresent video, the idea of a cadre of look alikes doesn't work well for me anymore, at least not the traditional presentation of it) Dig the cloning angle, though.
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04-04-2014, 09:44 PM | #3 |
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“A conversation started on beef664422’s “Who is the ‘X’ Greatest GIJOE character of all time” poll threads was begun by me and a few others therein. I’ve been slowly building a custom GIJOE chess set (still building the figures, currently. Sorry, no pics :( ) and during the process I needed to ask myself this same question in order to pick who to use in the set. I analyzed based on what I could recall from the DIC, Sunbow, Animated Movie, Action Force, Renegades, Resolute, Sigma 6, ARAH comics, IDW etc, as well as what I assumed were the fan choices for strongest characters. Along the way a new continuity began to emerge that incorporated what I saw as the best plots. I asked myself “if I could retcon and reboot the entire Joe Universe; distill and filter its strongest aspects what would that look like?” When sewing a fully evolved plot, multiple characters and agencies with similar backgrounds waters down the setting. It reduces the ability for the audience to identify with and build strong emotional attachments to the characters therein. By overlapping various characters and agencies you breathe more fully fleshed out multi-dimensionally backgrounds. It’s really a matter of balance, too few characters and agencies create boredom, and too many leaves the majority fallow. Tying the Red Shadows to the Crimson Guard is a natural fit – Red to Crimson, and both being antagonist organizations etc. Quote:
We can achieve the above by dividing Cobra into five interconnected pieces: 1.) EE: financial/economic and legal 2.) Crimson Guard/Red Shadows: soldiers for hire (as subsidiary of EE) 3.) MARS: weapons manufacturing and arms dealing 4.) Dreadnoks: black market and extortion 5.) Cobra: political Quote:
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Thanks, yeah, I wrestled with how to handle the “Fred” angle, and that’s the only solution I could come up with that made a degree of sense.
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GIJOE: Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity; a NATO special forces team of ignorant troops who believe they're fighting for freedom, led by a General fully engorged within the military industrial complex. Cobra: has been spin-doctored in the media and portrayed as a totalitarian terrorist organization when in truth they're an anarcho-collective co-operative corporate-military based on meritocracy, and funded by developing nations to combat Western Imperialism. Last edited by Fred; 04-05-2014 at 01:12 AM.. |
04-05-2014, 03:12 AM | #4 |
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Like the concept of the 'Noks being drug and gun runner's / smuggler's, and inciting war in other countries; but isn't that what Cobra and the IG's do already?
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04-05-2014, 03:55 AM | #5 |
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I'll get to my ideas for Cobra and the IGs in a future post, hopefully. I have all this written out already, but I thought offering it section by section might allow for greater feedback.
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04-05-2014, 05:54 AM | #6 |
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I am nowhere near close enough to be knowledgable on the history of what Fred's talking about in the Canon Joeverse, but to me, more like Steevy, the CG is more of the top elite force within the Cobra organization. I have them protecting the most vital assets and personnel, rarely venturing out into the field. They are more like a royal guard or secret police.
However, I do not like bringing clones into Joe despite it's existance in canon. The necessary cloning tech is too unapproachable by 21st Century standards and a bunch of Freds inflitrating political offices is bound to be noticed and create questions that make it self defeating. Plus, clones are more of a StarWars feature to me and I prefer the moral implications of cloning armies to not be present in Joe, personally.
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04-05-2014, 06:20 PM | #7 |
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My attempt at condensing a cohesive canon for GIJOE involves overlapping and amalgamating some of the more prominent characters, histories, and plots with others. Before posting up a third section I should ask you guys, is that a goal you think worth pursuing?
GIJOE has no central continuity; each incarnation of it branches a new divergent metaplot that sometimes contradicts, re-writes, or ignores all the others. This offers diversity – people can choose which “canon” they prefer; DIC, Sunbow, Battle Action Force, Sigma Six, Resolute, Renegades, the live action movies, the animated movie, IDW, Marvel, Devil’s Due, Dark Horse, Fun Publications, Blackthorne, Dreamwave, or Hasbro’s figure lines. What I’m attempting to do is combine all of these divergent GIJOE settings into a single universe. To do so we can go with one of two approaches: 1.) We can either try to slot them all together and bridge the contradictory and sometimes downright silly ideas together. or 2.) We can take the strongest ideas, plots, and characters within all of the settings and weave together a tale. I went with option 2 for reasons I listed earlier.
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