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11-19-2013, 09:01 AM | #31 |
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I thought these was toys for kids with play with and use the imagination and/or follow with the cartoons to act out battles between Cobra & Joe?
I can honetly say back then when did I EVER look at GI Joe toys and say, yep, this really could function on the frontline of a real war? Hmmmmm NEVER! yes alot of the concepts was borrowed and modified for GI Joe, but was never meant to use in a real war! GOD! could you imagine if the terrorist had FANGS to fight our Cobra gunship? It would be a slaughter out there. |
11-19-2013, 09:39 AM | #32 |
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I think that when viewed in this light, many of the Cobra vehicles are more plausible. A F.A.N.G. doesn't make much sense against a force equipped with anti-aircraft weapons, but it makes great sense for use in subduing a rioting populace, suppressing a bunch of rebels in a banzai charge, or terrorizing a village full of civilians. Especially since, on account of its size, it could be transported on the back of a truck and take off from a driveway. A H.I.S.S. wouldn't stand a chance against an M1A2 Abrams, but it would get the job done against a technical (Technical (vehicle) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)). Technical builders are an ingenious lot. I've seen video of one that mounted the turret from a BPM, and actually kept the traversing mechanism, and there are photos out there of one with a Russian UV-32 rocket pod. The engine on a F.A.N.G. would lift the bird itself and the pilot. No rockets, no "negator bomb" no 30mm cannon with 3 rounds of ammunition. That's not even getting into it's extraordinarily high vulnerability to small arms fire. About the long and short of it's usefulness would be aerial recon. Last edited by Konigstiger; 11-19-2013 at 10:36 AM.. |
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11-19-2013, 11:11 AM | #33 |
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The engine on a F.A.N.G. would lift the bird itself and the pilot. No rockets, no "negator bomb" no 30mm cannon with 3 rounds of ammunition. That's not even getting into it's extraordinarily high vulnerability to small arms fire. About the long and short of it's usefulness would be aerial recon.
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11-19-2013, 11:27 AM | #34 |
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yea to me the fang is a lightly armed OH.
two 2.75s on each side with a selenoid and pigtail, machine gun, dumb bomb for certain mission profiles, powered by a single t53 ( looks liek one anyway, maybe a smuch smaller). 2.75s donnt weigh much and it doesnt take much in the way of electricals to fire them. Hydra 70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
11-19-2013, 12:10 PM | #35 |
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I echo what was said above about Cobra vehicles being effective against second rate and light forces. Cobra has yet to field what could be called a "main battle tank". If they are up against modern tanks, they'd probably try to knock them out from afar with tank destroyers like the Stinger jeep for instance, plus HEAT Vipers. And then of course, they do have some pretty serious ground attack air assets.
I regard the classic HISS as the equivalent to a British Scimitar light tank - probably weighs less than 10 tons and can withstand up to and including .50 cal MG - giving at least as good protection as an M113 or Bradley but not much better. It would be excellent against infantry and nonarmored opponents. I don't know that "HIgh Speed Sentry" makes much sense (I prefer "Heavily armed Infantry Support Scout") but regardless it isn't designed to go toe to toe with an Abrams or a T 64. The Maggot was shown many times in the comic firing on the move as well as stationary. I don't think I remember ever seeing it in the comic where the cannon was separated from the tractor. I regard it as a self propelled artillery piece, with a secondary direct fire capacity. It's basically the closest thing Cobra has to a tank. Aside from the HISS II I suppose, but three big cannons on that little turret never made sense to me. My own designs for some of these (see my sig line) have incorporated better armor and protection overall. I think the big question for imagining Cobra hardware in a realistic fashion is if you don't care about taking casualties, is it more cost effective to churn out cheaper vehicles that have mobility and firepower but very little in the way of protection? Or put differently, can quantity outdo quality? Not that I'm under illusions that the Cobra legions are very large in the first place by national standards, but can you develop an effective army without MBTs and that sort of thing. Last edited by Stormgard; 11-19-2013 at 12:12 PM.. |
11-19-2013, 12:40 PM | #36 |
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Also the Thunderclap didn't fire from the train, it got setup properly with the stabilizing legs extended... they got that part right, haha. I had the Thunderclap as a kid, what a great vehicle.
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11-19-2013, 12:45 PM | #37 |
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I'd hate to be inside one of those, it looks like it would fall over too easily.
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11-19-2013, 01:25 PM | #38 |
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Sounds like the age old debate in military ground weapon systems. Pick two of three - speed/mobility, armor/protection, or arms. You can be fast and protected but can't punch back, slow/cumbersome with big guns but paper thin... you get the point.
A movie about the development of the Bradley was done in the 80's which although a comedy was not really fiction. |
11-19-2013, 02:01 PM | #39 |
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I was under the impression that what happens when all three are prioritized are that it just gets super expensive and hard to move around logistically - see the Abrams tank. |
11-19-2013, 08:09 PM | #40 |
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considering the US military has air cushion landing-craft, the WHALE carrying the little scout cycle and sled is not that unrealistic.
seriously? AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER?! You're counting that alongside these others? it's not a vehicle, it's a launch base. probably based on the A-12 and it's drone. look up the A-12 on wikipedia. got nothing on these. Well, that's not that unrealistic either when you consider the space shuttles were carried from the Vehicle Assembly Building to the launchpads on a crawler (as seen in GI Joe #6) and the booster rockets and fuel tank strapped to the shuttle. |
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