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02-17-2013, 09:16 PM | #11 |
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Being out under used characters and is be pretty happy. Flint and Beachhead are my favorites and I'm excited to get Flint. Interesting that "...it isn't "cool" to play army." , but military games sell like crazy. Video Games vs Action Figures. More exposure to an under used character could help with their popularity.
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02-17-2013, 09:43 PM | #12 |
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I say no way to this, but i could be wrong. Maybe i'm old school and just cant let go. Maybe i'm just being selfish wanting my favorites to live on forever. They are too cool to let go, please no don't do it..............
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02-17-2013, 10:27 PM | #13 |
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It's funny, people here are talking about new concepts for Joe but they keep saying "there are so many characters that never got that much attention."
You can't have it both ways, which is the problem. Hasbro keeps trying to give it to us both ways. You can't say there are so many characters that never got attention because THIS WOULD BE A NEW VERSION AND THOSE CHARACTERS DON'T EXIST!! Hasbro is trying the Transformers model with Joe. There are the recognizable icons that carry over (Transformers: Autobots, Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Decepticons, Megatron, Starscream): Duke (the leader), SE (the good ninja), SS (the bad ninja), Cobra Commander (the bad leader). They try to come up with a new formula around that: Renegades, RoC/Retaliation. The fans just aren't getting into it. ARAH is still around. It may not be branded as such, but the ARAH concepts still show up (PoC/30th = Sci-Fi, Lifeline, Blowtorch; Retaliation: Kwinn, Night-Viper). Those are the ARAH concepts, they're not new versions, they are the ARAH concept in modern construction.
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02-17-2013, 11:01 PM | #14 |
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Collectors want high articulated, highly accessorized (with "practical" accessories) figures that remake or evoke past glories. Kids want a fun toy, and it is debatable whether many of the PoC and 30th line were deemed "fun" by current kids (clearly, they didn't care enough to push sales) and the character selection that is going to get collectors all giddy aren't apt to mean a whole heck of a lot to kids whose familiarity with Joe may be from whatever they've seen on the HUB or DVD Quote:
Hasbro is trying the Transformers model with Joe. There are the recognizable icons that carry over (Transformers: Autobots, Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Decepticons, Megatron, Starscream): Duke (the leader), SE (the good ninja), SS (the bad ninja), Cobra Commander (the bad leader).
The fans just aren't getting into it. Beast Wars was a complete brand reinvention and betrayal of the fans Armada was a slap in the face after Robots in Disguise's complex and detailed Autobot figures And the HUGELY successful live action film was raping childhoods left and right. And every single one grew the brand over prior years (Transformers fans are STILL reaping the benefits from the live action film series) The closest Joe got to that kind of drastic reinvention in the past decade was Sigma Six...which was still predominantly the same characters, concepts and scenarios the new sculpt had been pushing since 2002. Only in a new figure format which de-emphasized the variety of characters the brand was known for and collectors/fans, of course, hated. I don't know if it is because Joe sales have been so weak, but there just seems to be an extreme reluctance to experiment with the brand, catering to what little market they have left and trying to make catering to that small market cross into the current mass market. Maybe it's time to let the club do its job, cater to the collector, and do SOMETHING new with the brand
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02-17-2013, 11:44 PM | #15 |
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And I feel that in doing so, neither way is being well served.
I don't know if it is because Joe sales have been so weak, but there just seems to be an extreme reluctance to experiment with the brand, catering to what little market they have left and trying to make catering to that small market cross into the current mass market. Maybe it's time to let the club do its job, cater to the collector, and do SOMETHING new with the brand I agree. I think the reluctance comes from the fact that the sales that keep the brand alive come from the collector end of the market as well as nothing new they've tried really hitting with the larger market out there. Keep the brand on life support more accurately, not really alive or thriving. If the RoC/Retaliation mythos is what they are going with for the major media version (the movie, which will have a viewership that far outnumbers the amount that will buy the toys) then have that become the line. Retaliation themed cartoon, comic book, and everything else. Micro Force and Kre-O aren't going to really grab new fans. Those are predominantly ARAH inspired. Kre-O will bet builder fans, but when (if) new fans get formed from Retaliation they'll look at the Kre-O and go "that's not Roadblock" and "that's not Firefly". By catering to the collector, the ARAH fan, Hasbro is in a way weakening their own market.
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02-17-2013, 11:44 PM | #16 |
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Retired? No way. Hasbro just needs to stop obsession over their self-imposed "core characters" and explore the rest of the Joe universe and bring in some new characters.
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02-18-2013, 12:44 AM | #17 |
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Toys in general are suffering from the same lack of focus the entire country seems to suffer from.
Just reinvent it syndrome. There used to be a time that you made a product and stuck with it...sure you kept it fresh...sure you tweeked the product here and there trying to make it better or fresh again but you didn't change the damn format of the show every chance you got. Imagine if Cheers decided that every season to keep the show fresh they would gut the bar and remake it every year or even two...with plot from previous seasons just...not mattering. Or every new season of Seinfeld they moved to a new city simply because focus groups felt like the show would better relate if they were not in NYC. I think I'm tired mostly of that. Well that and the recent weird idea that while steady since 2007 we have been getting better and better articulation and suddenly now 6 years later we jump backwards in articulation to the 70's with five points of doom articulation...which is accompanied by another price increase in product.....ANNNNND some seriously phoned in LAZIEST of LBC customizing (and trust me I love some LBC's) but a great example would be Retaliations wave 2 Sneak Attack Stormshadow. Have you seen this guy yet? He's the ROC SS long coat mold head to toe...except he has the better articulation wrists and has a v2 Urban camo style paint. He also comes with the POC SS's weapons. Now I will admit to being stumped why Hasbro would chose to reuse this mold considering it sat on pegs in 2009...and 2010...a good part of 2011 and wasn't well recieved then either. But to make even LESS sense they provided the SS with a tactical vest which looks so strange over not only a long coat but on Stormshadow in general. And if you hated SS having and using a hand gun in ROC....well lets give him an assault rifle! And just to be even more strange he has the resolute SS hood that really doesn't fit on the figure well with the vest. Seriously guys....I'm a big supporter of Hasbro but that figure makes about as much sense as trying to stuff a moose into a playdoh cannister. I'm not ready to see Joe retire, but between poor planning, random resetting, bad distribution, higher prices, lower quality, and just overall lazy product I may not want Joe to retire but it may just happen. Last edited by Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.; 02-18-2013 at 12:46 AM.. |
02-18-2013, 12:54 AM | #18 |
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I'd love to see Hasbro create a new GI Joe line with an entirely different set of characters. Maybe they could move the story 100 years into the future. This way ALL the figures including any "core" characters would be entirely new.
This could be their retail focus, and they could offer online figures for us collectors that focused on POC/30th-level updates of classic ARAH figures that haven't been done yet. I'd call it a win-win for everyone and it would get away from having SE/Duke/CC/SS/Destro figures made every wave. Honestly I want to see more figures of NEW characters that don't already have 50+++ versions out already. |
02-18-2013, 01:19 AM | #19 |
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The only way I would be OK with this is if they continue the 25-ME-30th stuff online. (and NOT through anything to do with the club or Fun Pub). They can experiment all they want as long as we have an outlet for the stuff we want and have supported them by buying for years.
They just cut and go in a different direction without throwing us a bone and I'm just done.
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02-18-2013, 10:45 AM | #20 |
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The problem is the assumption that a "complete reboot" would actually be something we want, when it's just as likely it would go to, say, a 5 POA gimmick-laden line.
From Hasbro's perspective, they know full well that turning off the current collectors at this point will kill the line all-but-completely. They need Joe to become a strong enough franchise where (like Transformers) there are enough kids and open-minded collectors buying in that they can say "Buy it or not, we don't care" to the "GEEWUN" (or in this case ARAH-only!) contingent of their fandom. Right now that isn't the case, and Hasbro clearly wants to keep Joe as a retail presence until they find the reboot/reimagining that "sticks." From the retailer perspective, we're not getting away from core characters anytime soon. If Hasbro dumped ARAH they'd just create new core characters that we got dozens of, because that's simply the way the business works now, and no amount of complaining or wishful thinking from us is going to change that. Sorry guys, you're probably never going to get that Skidmark remake at retail. You'll be lucky if you even manage to get Bullhorn or Ambush or Rampart or Captain Gridiron. the fact of the matter is that most of the ARAH characters (especially the ones they haven't remade already) are basically non-entities. The only people that care about them are super-hardcore fans like us. I'd be willing to give a complete Joe reboot a chance, but people need to bear in mind that Hasbro isn't Mattel...they aren't gonna put out an ARAH line just for us online, because they did that once and it was a spectacular bomb (to the point that it's turned Hasbro off from doing online-only lines for years since). They aren't likely to run two separate lines in completely different continuities at retail (again, unless the Joe franchise really blew up with popularity). It'd be all or nothing (Joe club notwithstanding), and there are absolutely no guarantees that what Hasbro comes up with is going to be something we all will like and want no matter how many new characters they load the line with. Last edited by Jmacq1; 02-18-2013 at 10:52 AM.. |
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