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05-29-2009, 11:58 AM | #6061 |
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What happens when a soldier graduates from Ranger School is that they earn the Ranger SQI (a little alphanumeric indicator added to their MOS code) and of course, they get to wear the coveted tab. In that sense, anybody who's graduated from the Ranger School has earned the "right" to be called a Ranger. In a colloquial and everyday human resources/personnel classification context though, the term "Ranger" almost exclusively refers to the Ranger School graduates who are actually assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment and "Ranger-qualified" refers to those graduates who are assigned elsewhere. It sounds counterintuitive, but in many ways, it makes it simpler and cuts down on confusion when trying to determine where a soldier's unit is for the guys in charge of keeping track of personnel assignments.
The non-75th RR soldiers who go to Ranger School aren't really meant to serve as "back-ups" for the regiment. Many of them are soldiers looking for Ranger School as a step towards career advancement while others are exceptional soldiers (or even Marines or Airmen) sent by their commanding officers for further training, and are expected to return to their "home" unit after training and bring their new expertise with them to raise the proficiency level of his unit. I guess the real question is what happens to the guys that don't get into the 75th but are hoping to. I suppose they get assigned elsewhere. They only need so many NCOs or officers. There must not be any privates in the Ranger Regiment. Everyone comes from a different unit anyway right? You have to be Airborne Qualified to even become a Ranger. So at least E-3 to try out for Ranger School. But it's also considered a Leadership training so that's why its important for career infantrymen to attend Ranger School. Now I suppose there are Support staff attached to the Regiment but how do they get deployed. I mean does the food Service guys really need to be Ranger qualified? No. |
05-29-2009, 12:02 PM | #6062 |
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Gives it an aura of proficiency. Trained is what your dog gets. Plus everything in the military is described that way. "Qualified Marksman" is another example. |
05-29-2009, 12:10 PM | #6063 |
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True that. But for those on the outside, trained is easier to understand then qualified.
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05-29-2009, 12:14 PM | #6064 |
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Well, there are a couple of ways a soldier can get into the 75th. One way is to sign a Ranger contract with a recruiter, either during enlistment or at anytime during a soldier's career (as long as they're eligible for Ranger School). What this means is that a soldier is assured a slot in Infantryman AIT, Basic Airborne School, and Ranger School, and if he makes it through all three, he has a guaranteed slot in the regiment. Since more people sign a Ranger recruitment contract than those who actually manage to successfully finish the necessary training, finding slots for Ranger-qualified personnel looking for entry into the 75th is almost never a problem. The other way is if a Ranger-qualified NCO or officer is externally assigned to serve with the regiment, and obviously, those guys will have a slot waiting for them.
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05-29-2009, 12:23 PM | #6065 |
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What happens to those that sign a contract but wash-out? Do they get sent to the regular service for their years?
I can see an awful lot of kids out of high school that would happen to. "Sure son, sign up and become a Ranger. The best of the best." Especially with Blackhawk Down serving as a great recruitment campaign. Heck, after watching it, I wanted to go sign up and be a Ranger.
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05-29-2009, 12:31 PM | #6066 |
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Yup. They get "recycled" into a regular infantry unit or any other unit they might be qualified for recycling into. There's a lot of them too, when you think about the wash-out rate in Ranger School (anywhere between 40% to 60% in any given class).
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05-29-2009, 12:35 PM | #6067 |
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Oh well, should make sure you go and do all your research (on what the training is, what the wash-out rate is, etc..) before signing away 4 years of your life.
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05-29-2009, 12:36 PM | #6068 |
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Sucks! I Know one guy that joined the Army specifically to be a Ranger. He was 32. He was rejected for medical, because of Shin Splints. He got recycled and was able to try out again. He spend his "off-Season" conditioning his shins. He made it and has been to Afghanistan twice. once Healthy he crushed most of the young guys during Ranger School.
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05-29-2009, 12:41 PM | #6069 |
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Sucks! I Know one guy that joined the Army specifically to be a Ranger. He was 32. He was rejected for medical, because of Shin Splints. He got recycled and was able to try out again. He spend his "off-Season" conditioning his shins. He made it and has been to Afghanistan twice. once Healthy he crushed most of the young guys during Ranger School.
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05-29-2009, 12:59 PM | #6070 |
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I was first thinking that it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of Ranger-qualified people but not have 'em in the 75th. But then, because it's a high combat unit, you'd want to have trained people ready to step up and in at a moment's notice to replace lost personal.
But I think anyone that's graduated should be called that (Ranger or Force Recon or whatever) even if not actively serving in the unit. How do the Qualified people keep up with the training if not in an active Ranger unit? Doesn't make sense to have 'em as "back-up"s if they lose the training and don't keep up to date. The Ranger Regiment is a Special Operations Regiment that specializes in Airborne, Light Infantry Operations. They basically seize airfields and other major points of strategic interest in an invasion and act as a support/security element for Delta Force. The mission of the Regiment is different than the skills taught at Ranger School. Obviously, there is a lot of overlap, but it's a different mission focus. Ranger School graduates primarily go back to their units to help lead and teach others. They are made into better soldiers through Ranger School, so they go back and help their respective units be better. Most of the graduates are going back to standard line units: 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne, 25th ID, 3rd ID, 1st Cav, etc. It's not like they're sitting around twiddling their thumbs; they're out training everyday as Infantry soldiers. The 82nd Airborne is not sitting around waiting for the Ranger Regiment to need extra personnel; they're training to go out and kick butt and be the 82nd Airborne! Is the Ranger Regiment more elite than the 82nd Airborne? Yes, but it's smaller and it has a different mission focus. But the 82nd Airborne, or the 173rd, or 101st, are some of the best light Infantry units in the world. They train every day, and they train hard. The LRSC Companies in the 82nd and the 173rd and the 101st are as tough as anybody in the Ranger Regiment. Is there a mystique about the Ranger Regiment? Of course... it's almost mythological. It's possibly the best light Infantry unit in the world; only the British Paras and the Ghurkas are their real rivals for the title. But an element the size of the Ranger Regiment has a different mission focus than an infantry element the size of a division. I used to be a Ft. Bragg. I wasn't with the 82nd, but I knew a lot of guys who were. They are the real deal; that Maroon Beret means a heck of a lot to those guys. I'd put them up against any Marine Infantry and I'd expect the 82nd to come out on top. My point is, let's not overlook some of our best line units just because they're not "Special Operations". Special Ops makes up about 5% of the Army... it's not like everybody else in 95% of the Army is just sitting on their hands. Look at it this way: Normandy Beach. The Rangers' mission was to assault and climb up the cliffs from the beach. It was a dangerous mission and they completed it with a lot of casualties. The 101st and the 82nd parachuted in the night before the invasion, in the dark to clear the big German cannons out for the invasion. DIFFERENT MISSIONS. All those units did a great job; they're all heroes. But understanding the differences is how commanders implement their forces effectively in combat. It's not always a question of whose the best? More often it's a question of capability, size, and mission focus? I think it would be helpful if we saw the Ranger Regiment and Ranger School as different things. I know the word "Ranger" is in both of them, but they are different. The Regiment has a specific mission focus. The regular light Infantry has a particular mission focus, The Airborne Infantry has a particular mission focus, the Cavalry has a mission focus... and ALL OF THOSE UNITS can benefit by sending it's best soldiers to Ranger School to become better Infantry leaders. Ranger School is Infantry Leadership Training... not just "Ranger Regiment" training.
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