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02-08-2016, 03:18 PM | #20361 |
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02-10-2016, 08:11 AM | #20362 |
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True. Going back to hardcorps question about the Motor Transport Operator MOS, I believe the difference is that an actual MTO is a certified truck driver (from my understanding, I could be wrong). I am assuming they get a CDL-A license due to the weight class of the vehicles they operate (semi-trucks). An 11B (in the case of the Army) would not be allowed to drive the larger vehicles (much like in civilian life, where a typical driver with a class C license cannot operate a semi-truck) but could operate a Humvee, which is about the size of a full size pickup truck. I have seen some people have Clutch and Crankcase as 88M's as an MOS. However since they are seen operating light attack vehicles I would think they are more likely an 11B's that were assigned as vehicle drivers. Maybe they were so good at their jobs that their squad leader's recommended them to US Army and/or Government advanced driving classes. Of course how do you explain Clutch's "Transportation" military specialty (which is a branch itself) and in at least one issue of Marvel Comics (14 I believe) he is seen driving the APC? Not sure what weight class an APC would fall into and if you would need a special license for it or not. Anyone have any thought? |
02-10-2016, 08:50 AM | #20363 |
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I'm not sure but you do bring up a good point of guys who have entire branches listed as their MOS or SMS.
Especially those guys who have two separate branches for each MOS. Like Steeler who is Artillery, Armor, and Transportation. Or is that Major Storm. Point is I don't think that is the way it works. I could see an SMS of Infantry for most Joes if the perform other duties, but most like medic, motor vehicle operator fall under Infantry anyway.
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02-10-2016, 11:56 AM | #20364 |
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Why would you need a special license to drive an armoured vehicle? I can see having to follow Ministry regulations on semis. I can see having to get certified for air-brakes. But I highly doubt that every APC and tank driver has a special license just due to the weight of the vehicle. I imagine they just do the specific course, pass a road test, and have that specific vehicle added to their list of driver qualifications.
But I agree with the point about Clutch and Crankcase probably being infantry guys with a lot of driver qualifications, some of which would only have been available after getting into a SOF unit (eg Wanna drive like a rally car driver? Join the Special Forces! | canada.com) But hey - maybe they started as truckers and then switched over to infantry. Though their file cards had both of them enjoying racing before joining. Maybe they liked the idea of racing semi trucks (in which case they should have the codenames "Snowman" and "Bandit"), but I doubt it . . . I think a more realistic route of entry is via armour or cav where they start off with the tactical driving of combat vehicles. Edit - adding another thought: it occurs to me that, while it seems more likely to enter via a combat/tactical driving stream, after having taken a covert ops course (as Clutch apparantly has) it might be useful to be certified to drive commercial trucks. It would be a great cover for covertly infiltrating/exfiltrating a target area, as truckers are constantly on the move and go all sorts of interesting places. Last edited by LowTech; 02-10-2016 at 12:38 PM.. |
02-10-2016, 12:52 PM | #20365 |
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The only argument I see for needing the different licenses for say a Class A or Class B would be the fact the transport they are driving has to travel on the US interstate highways.
Still how hard would it be for any of them to get a license. There is a ton of time for training in the military. And I think you just have to take a test. Here we go: Army Regulation 600–55 The Army Driver and Operator Standardization Program (Selection, Training, Testing, and Licensing) http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_55.pdf TC 21-306 Tracked Combat Vehicle Driver Training http://safety.korea.army.mil/Toolbox...s/tc21_306.pdf
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02-11-2016, 04:59 PM | #20366 |
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Where do you guys have Fast Draw & Backblast in your TOE? I put Zap, Bazooka & Salvo as Rockers in my rifle platoon's weapons squad but can't figure out what to do with those two.
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02-11-2016, 05:57 PM | #20367 |
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1. What Joes (according to their file-cards) would operate the FLAK, Mountain Howitzer and other cannons? 2. How many Joes would be needed to operate each one? |
02-11-2016, 06:40 PM | #20368 |
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Fast Draw is there too, but hes part of the Launch Complex and Defiant/Crusader crew. |
02-11-2016, 07:44 PM | #20369 |
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I would say Short Fuze, Grand Slam, Thunder, Downtown, Long Range, Major Barrage
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02-11-2016, 07:47 PM | #20370 |
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Honestly I do not know where to place them in mine. My Joe team is more SAS/Delta like and doesn't use tanks, artillery and jets. According to Fast Draw's filecard he was a clerk typist (a Support Branch) then Ordnance (which I take to mean an 89B Ammunition Specialist, also part of the Support Branch). He is not really on the front lines. Does he handle the Joes ammunition (which means he sits back at base a lot) or (if the Joes are like the SAS/Delta) go through the "Joe Operator Course" and is now a Trooper/Operator who engages in direct action raids and such? If so he probably would not be packing anti-tank weapons and would instead be using an M4 or a HK416. Backblast is another tough one. I put him as a former 14S Air and Missile Defense Crewmember. From what I have gathered online they employ the Avenger Air Defense System and typically don't run around with a Stinger missile launcher in their hands. So again does he go through the "Joe Operator Course" and become a Trooper/Operator? Or if your Joe-verse is more like the comics and such (artillery, tanks and jets) then maybe manning one of the Joe anti-aircraft vehicles? |
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