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10-28-2009, 10:49 PM | #9891 |
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It hasn't been confirmed, but the more I learn about SF in Vietnam, the more possibilities I see. For instance, every now and then I'd come across some tidbit about SF guys working in conventional, non-SF units, which I thought odd because SF guys were trained specifically for unconventional, guerrilla warfare. However, it turns out that this was true: SF men sometimes left their SF unit or were even "fired" and reassigned to another unit. Alan Cornett was initially a SF medic that got reassigned to 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne to gain more experience before returning to the 5th SF Group. During several months with the 1st Brigade, he served as a LRRP.
So it's certainly feasible that Stalker attended SF training after AIT and before going to Vietnam and then served with a LRRP unit while he was there. Perhaps this is what the artist/illustrator who designed Stalker was thinking or perhaps Hama omitted his SF training because he wanted to emphasize his status as a Ranger/LRRP and thought it more important or maybe he's just a Ranger/LRRP and nothing more, but for the sake of my Vietnam story and to explain Stalker's green beret, medical training and some of his language skills, I'm going to make him SF. Is it possible that Stalker's a Green Beret? Yes. Do I want him to be Special Forces? You bet; he's on my custom ODA Team. Is there any hard evidence in the continuity? No. Is there any secondary, or circumstantial evidence like Roadblock? No. Is there any evidence based on missions performed like Recondo? No. Stalker has always done missions that are consistent with a LRRP Ranger. I wish that Hasbro or the Collector's Club would list him as an 18 series or something like they did with Beach-Head. I wish the Comic would make mention of it. ANYTHING, but there isn't anything.
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10-28-2009, 10:52 PM | #9892 |
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I'm really really really liking this idea for the Joe set-up. More military then what's listed, the Striker Team would be bigger and the non-military aspects smaller. A unit that combines both DoD and DoJ/DHS...
... Now how would it be headed up... That is the question... Joint Civilian/Military command unit or 1 over all operations chief? For an organization with domestic and international reach, though, I think it makes more sense to go with a civilian (maybe a retired military officer, so you get the best of both worlds in terms of experience and knowledge), as civilians don't work under the same set of restrictions as military personnel do (they wouldn't be beholden to the sometimes byzantine workings of senior military politics, for one thing). |
10-28-2009, 11:24 PM | #9893 |
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I hear what you're saying, Tanksmasher.
Is it possible that Stalker's a Green Beret? Yes. Do I want him to be Special Forces? You bet; he's on my custom ODA Team. Is there any hard evidence in the continuity? No. Is there any secondary, or circumstantial evidence like Roadblock? No. Is there any evidence based on missions performed like Recondo? No. Stalker has always done missions that are consistent with a LRRP Ranger. I wish that Hasbro or the Collector's Club would list him as an 18 series or something like they did with Beach-Head. I wish the Comic would make mention of it. ANYTHING, but there isn't anything. |
10-28-2009, 11:56 PM | #9894 |
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Well, in the book, Op-Center was headed by a civilian (a presidential appointee), but he's got a mix of military and civilian (some of which are ex-military) advisers. I think it makes sense to get a nice mix of backgrounds in there. You need a leadership organization that's experienced and agile enough intellectually to adapt to changing counter-terrorism situations. Make it a purely military staff and you'll only get military solutions, when a non-confrontational solution might yield better results in some instances. Make it a purely civilian one and you'll have a bunch of people with no military or practical combat experience in charge of soldiers' lives and directing armed actions.
For an organization with domestic and international reach, though, I think it makes more sense to go with a civilian (maybe a retired military officer, so you get the best of both worlds in terms of experience and knowledge), as civilians don't work under the same set of restrictions as military personnel do (they wouldn't be beholden to the sometimes byzantine workings of senior military politics, for one thing).
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10-29-2009, 04:58 AM | #9895 |
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I'd bet money you are right that his Green Beret status was an accident by Hasbro. However, I buy into it because of BH's personality. He seems like the type of guy who would become the best Ranger in the Army and then start looking for the next challenge. I suppose most Joes are like that, but BH seems like the over achiever's over achiever. So it makes some sense to me, plus there is at least a little file card evidence. As you pointed it out it may be a bit suspect given Hasbro's track record, but at least it's something.
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10-29-2009, 07:01 AM | #9896 |
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I see him in the same role. I really liked Beachhead as the Sgt Major in the DDP run. He just comes across like Sam Elliot in We Were Soldiers but way younger. And much like Eric Bana's character in Blackhawk down.
My Parents and my wife are all government. My Wife is a GS-14, and so is my Mother. Money is good especially in the DC area, but that sounds right. Conversely when my father retired as a GS-15 last year (The highest you can go) he got his GS-13 in like 1986!! He told me that he was equivalent to a Brigadier General. I think it really has to do with age and experience, and depends on the job. Deputy Directors and Program Managers will all be at least GS-15s. After that they need to move to SES (Senior Executive Service) which is at least 0-6 or Higher. From 2008: http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroll...appendix_b.pdf I think the Collector's Club does a way better job about filecards than Hasbro does. Not sure why they decided to make him a Green Beret, but why not. Anyone got the Ranger list for thegame68? Here's all the Rangers and Ranger School Grads I can think of. (I still keep Beachhead with my Rangers mostly.) Claymore Stalker (Seems so SF it's ridiculous) Snake-Eyes (May be SF also) Scarlett Clutch Starduster Alpine Lady-Jaye Crackcase Beachhead Crazy-Legs Sneak-Peek Skydive Dart Rampage Muskrat Sidetrack V2 Roadblock based on the Declassified series Then there are the Guys we just don't know. Repeater - based on his Hat Outback - Based on Quote From the Ranger's Handbook (May be SF though) Grid-Iron (Has to be as a Career Infantry Officer) Pathfinder (come on) Recoil (More than likely) Recondo (At least, but could be SF) Altitude (Again a Career infantryman would most likely attend Ranger School at some point) We could probably make a case for both Double-Blast and Big Brawler as E-8, but that is debatable. Same for all the Paratroopers minus Drop-Zone. I see some of you guys are from Arlington. I don't think I've ever mentioned it, but my dad was at Fort Meyer when I was born in 1978. If you guys have ever gone down and watched the guards at the Jefferson Memorial, that's what my dad did before he got out of the army. He was in the the Big Red One at Fort Riley Kansas. He spent time in Germany doing war games to get ready to fight the Soviets. He liked the travel, but after he met my mom, he got into The Old Guard to avoid having to go over seas again. He drove a Colonel around Washington for a while and then ended up doing those ceremonies in the National Mall. I was born at Dewitt Army hospital in Fort Belvoir, which I believe is a bit south of you guys, but still pretty close. I need some clarification from you southern boys. I was born in Virginia, but I live in South Dakota. So technically am I considered a Southerner or a Yankee? I love SEC football and am a sucker for girls with southern accents (but really who isn't). I probably dont have the credentials to be either, so I'll have to settle for being a midwesterner. |
10-29-2009, 07:11 AM | #9897 |
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In the movie Blackhawk Down, all the Delta guys wear similar helmuts. They're not the standard kevlar helmuts the Rangers wear, they look more like rock climbing helmuts. Earlier in the thread you guys were talking about how Delta's equipment is usually dictated by the mission. So why the different helmuts? I've never read the book, but maybe I should because I can't figure out what advantage those helmuts would have over the Rangers kevlar except maybe they're cooler and lighter. Is it that simple or am I overlooking something?
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10-29-2009, 08:15 AM | #9898 |
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thegame68, I don't have my copy of BHD in front of me, but I seem to recall the author saying that Delta's helmets are similar to those worn by hockey players. They are lighter, and good for protection from impact, but they won't stop bullets. SEALs sometimes wear them as well. AFAIK, only 2 Joes have worn them-Battle Corps Beach Head and Barrel Roll v2. And yeah, the book is worth reading.
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10-29-2009, 10:39 AM | #9899 |
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I need to read the book, and the "sequal" (not really a sequal but..) by Durant (the pilot that got shot down and captured.
Absolutely love the movie. Made me want to join the Army and become a Ranger.
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10-29-2009, 12:51 PM | #9900 |
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So if it's a joint DoD/DoJ unit, why call G.I. Joe?
So that means it's time to make an acronym. G I - Integrated J - Joint O - Operational E - G could be General, Global E could be Entity Some help?
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