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06-02-2009, 12:58 PM | #6381 |
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Troynos, I double checked the new "Spc Airborne" with Free Fall's file card on yojoe.com, and it's Free Fall's file name. It's basically Free Fall wearing a Ripcord suit... the file card is almost an exact reprint. These file cards were a little disappointing, but I did like Outback's... it's an homage to his Night Force file card, but we find out that he was an instructor at the "Survival School" which I would think of as SERE and "Jungle Warfare School" which I think is a nod to his Tiger Force edition... given those qualifications and the conversations we've had about Recondo - I think it's pretty safe/clear that Outback is Special Forces. So at least that was one nugget to enjoy from the new file cards.
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06-02-2009, 01:02 PM | #6382 |
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Sort of like the Roadblock/Heavy Duty debacle. It's a shame really... I love Free Fall. he's one of my favorites.
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06-02-2009, 01:02 PM | #6383 |
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So I was trying to realistically piece together the chronology of some of our Joes in terms of promotions and military training, but it just doesn't make sense. For instance, SE served in Nam during the TET offensive, which took place in 1968. He was also a LRRP at that time so he was at least an E4, but when he's recruited for the Joe team in 1982, he's only an E5.
Now since we know he was discharged after his tour, we can rationalize that he was out of the Army for some time before going back, and that's why he's only an E5 as of 1982, but what about Stalker? Did he leave the military also. He must have or else he was demoted because if he had stayed in service he would probably be Master Sgt like Duke by the time he joined the Joe team. Hama wrote that much of SE's pre 1974 military history was destroyed, so we can assume that he was still in service till 1974. But when exactly were his parents and sister killed? It occurred after his discharge, but we don't exactly know when he was discharged. I first assumed 1974, but that can't be because Hawk is a Colonel when he tells SE the bad knews, and surely Hawk was not a Colonel from 1974 all the way up to 1986. So their deaths must have occurred sometime a few years before GI Joe was created. --Was in military at least until 1974 --Discharged from Service (when?) --Col Hawk informs SE that sister and parents are dead (had to be late 70s or 1980 maybe) --SE trains in Japan with SS (how long? a year?) --SE lives quietly in the High Sierras --Hawk and Stalker recruit him for GI Joe (1982) Here's what else we know officially about his military training: BCT - Fort Jackson, SC AIT - ? Airborne School - Fort Benning, GA Ranger School - Fort Benning, GA Recondo School - Nha Trang |
06-02-2009, 01:03 PM | #6384 |
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Yeah, and that's what annoys me. The fan bitching led to this. The only reason that "Ripcord" exists is because the fans couldn't handle the "black" Ripcord.
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06-02-2009, 01:05 PM | #6385 |
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I'm missing something. How are they merging Major Altitude and Altitude? I don't see the connection. My understanding is that they took classic Ripcord's image, and changed the character to Free Fall...
Sort of like the Roadblock/Heavy Duty debacle. It's a shame really... I love Free Fall. he's one of my favorites.
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06-02-2009, 01:05 PM | #6386 |
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The answer is Ft. Benning. It's the home of the Infantry. He would have gone from Basic at Jackson to Benning for AIT, Airborne, and Ranger School.
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06-02-2009, 01:07 PM | #6387 |
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So I was trying to realistically piece together the chronology of some of our Joes in terms of promotions and military training, but it just doesn't make sense. For instance, SE served in Nam during the TET offensive, which took place in 1968. He was also a LRRP at that time so he was at least an E4, but when he's recruited for the Joe team in 1982, he's only an E5.
Now since we know he was discharged after his tour, we can rationalize that he was out of the Army for some time before going back, and that's why he's only an E5 as of 1982, but what about Stalker? Did he leave the military also. He must have or else he was demoted because if he had stayed in service he would probably be Master Sgt like Duke by the time he joined the Joe team. Hama wrote that much of SE's pre 1974 military history was destroyed, so we can assume that he was still in service till 1974. But when exactly were his parents and sister killed? It occurred after his discharge, but we don't exactly know when he was discharged. I first assumed 1974, but that can't be because Hawk is a Colonel when he tells SE the bad knews, and surely Hawk was not a Colonel from 1974 all the way up to 1986. So their deaths must have occurred sometime a few years before GI Joe was created. --Was in military at least until 1974 --Discharged from Service (when?) --Col Hawk informs SE that sister and parents are dead (had to be late 70s or 1980 maybe) --SE trains in Japan with SS (how long? a year?) --SE lives quietly in the High Sierras --Hawk and Stalker recruit him for GI Joe (1982) Here's what else we know officially about his military training: BCT - Fort Jackson, SC AIT - ? Airborne School - Fort Benning, GA Ranger School - Fort Benning, GA Recondo School - Nha Trang
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06-02-2009, 01:07 PM | #6388 |
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The new SPC. Altitude figure is a total consolation prize from Hasbro.
"We can't give you a proper Ripcord because it'll cause some completely made up confusion, so here's the next best thing. The bad news is you'll probably never get Freefall or the real Altitude." It actually doesn't bother me too much. He looks like Ripcord and that's what ultimately matters when it comes to the aesthetics of my Joe shelves. |
06-02-2009, 01:15 PM | #6389 |
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Major Altitude file name: Robert D. Owens Free Fall file name: Philip W. Arndt New "Spc. Airborne" file name: Philip W. Arndt Am I missing something?
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06-02-2009, 01:15 PM | #6390 |
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I've got a little project on the side that'll attempt to make some linear sense out of Snake-Eyes' comic book/filecard history (up until 1985 or thereabouts). It'll be ahile before I finish it though.
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