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05-13-2021, 08:15 AM | #23651 |
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WHats the logo on Lady Jayes arm? The blue one with the triangle in it?
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05-13-2021, 08:26 AM | #23652 |
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I think its supposed to be the 91st Infantry Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/91st_D...(United_States)
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05-13-2021, 09:16 AM | #23653 |
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Cheers man.
It's interesting skim reading this thread. A lot of assumptions about Joes I made as a kid and never thought to question. Some examples: I always assumed the Joes real names were a top secret. Like in my head, they never even called each OTHER by anything but Codenames. They may have never even TOLD each other their real names. As I got older and we entered a more digital age, I suspected their was something like a Men in Black scrubbing system; By joining the Joes you agree to give up you identity. EVeryone is "Just a Joe" and if anyone tried to find them with facial recognition or anything it was impossible. It was a security thing, you know? But I guess that assumption makes little sense. Hell Dusty walks around with his real name on his shirt, Hawk (And some others) have their Fruit Salad on their jackets which might be able to be traced. I don't know why all this never occurred to me before, but it didn't. AH well. Second big none was rank. I think I just always assumed that when you agreed to be a Joe, you effectively gave up your rank to become part of a separate chain of command. Flagg was in charge of it all, answerable only to World or Government leaders at the top levels, essentially like a Top ranking general. Hawk was just below him, doing less of the political maneuvering and more of the actual work, including being out in the field when required. Below him was Duke, then Flint. And then after that it was more case by case depending on the mission. (As a kid I didn't even know the Flagg was a real toy, so it never occurred to me to have Keel Haul in the COC. As an adult, he would essentially command the Flagg and things like the Air support units the Joes have). I didn't even know what all the Grade E- whatever and stuff meant on the filecards. I still don't 100% (Since the Australian system is different) but I think this is one where my kid brain had the right idea. I mean the Joes come from so many military branches, to say nothing of the ones from other countries, so they would HAVE to be in their own command structure outside of their former branches. Anyway just felt like posting this.
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05-13-2021, 10:06 AM | #23654 |
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Nice to have you on the thread.
As for wiping their existence from the system to be completely anonymous, that makes a lot of sense. We sort of saw that play out with IDW series. It sort of has it's limitations based reality of any military unit. I am curious what most Delta guys have as their MOS or what unit they are listed as part of. I think if the Joes were like a 12-50 man unit, then something like that could easily work, but then it's all for fun so and whatever works your Joeverse is all up to you. My Joe unit is probably like 500 members and then there are probably another 2000 support people that I just imagine that are there or they have the right to just swoop in and use the available support in the Area of Operations(AO). I suppose there are two camps of Joe Fan takes on ranks. Those who pay little attention to them and those who can obsess about them. I find myself in the latter camp, and almost all my commmand structures follow along a strict ranking system, since in the US military rank means almost everything. With Special Operations it means even more, but just for the fact that a seasoned 30 year old Green Beret E-7 Sgt First Class is far and away a much better soldier than an E-4 Dusty. First of all I imagine most E-4s are probably under 24 years old. While these days six years in the military can get you plenty of combat experience, one would probably hit E-6 if they were any good to join the Joes. So you will see alot of us bump up the ranks of some of out favorites, since Dusty should be an E-7 really, maybe an E-6 at least. I am always intrigued by how the SAS rank structures work and how well that works (I hope it's base on Merit) and what happens once a member leaves and goes back to regular Army. Also how do attached members from foreign militarys fit into a command structure of a host unit say in the case of Big Ben or Skymate?
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05-13-2021, 10:31 AM | #23655 |
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Nice to have you on the thread.
As for wiping their existence from the system to be completely anonymous, that makes a lot of sense. We sort of saw that play out with IDW series. It sort of has it's limitations based reality of any military unit. I am curious what most Delta guys have as their MOS or what unit they are listed as part of. I think if the Joes were like a 12-50 man unit, then something like that could easily work, but then it's all for fun so and whatever works your Joeverse is all up to you. My Joe unit is probably like 500 members and then there are probably another 2000 support people that I just imagine that are there or they have the right to just swoop in and use the available support in the Area of Operations(AO). I suppose there are two camps of Joe Fan takes on ranks. Those who pay little attention to them and those who can obsess about them. I find myself in the latter camp, and almost all my commmand structures follow along a strict ranking system, since in the US military rank means almost everything. With Special Operations it means even more, but just for the fact that a seasoned 30 year old Green Beret E-7 Sgt First Class is far and away a much better soldier than an E-4 Dusty. First of all I imagine most E-4s are probably under 24 years old. While these days six years in the military can get you plenty of combat experience, one would probably hit E-6 if they were any good to join the Joes. So you will see alot of us bump up the ranks of some of out favorites, since Dusty should be an E-7 really, maybe an E-6 at least. I am always intrigued by how the SAS rank structures work and how well that works (I hope it's base on Merit) and what happens once a member leaves and goes back to regular Army. Also how do attached members from foreign militarys fit into a command structure of a host unit say in the case of Big Ben or Skymate? *Sigh* As a kid I had heaps of Joes and vehicles and giant bases and the like, and that would TOTALLY require hundreds of support staff and the like to keep it going. That means the whole "wipe them from the system" is much less feasible. These days I think of them more as a 30-50 man team, including people who double as tech, armory and mechanics for vehicles. But the Joes more or less just have a "Commandeer whatever we need today" policy to get them where they need to go. Similarly the command situation is just streamlined. Hawks in Charge. Dukes the man in charge on the ground. Anyone else can potentially be the man in charge of an op if needed, and the others know thats how it plays.
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05-13-2021, 11:39 AM | #23656 |
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You have me inspired to come up with my own pared down unit. Sort of best of the best. I just love all my toys so it's hard to exclude anyone. And I was trying to figure out how to incorporate Eagle Force.
Certainly a top 10 characters is unnecessarily limited. But What size would that be though? I suppose the SAS Sabre Squadron 60 man model of 4 troops of 12 (Air, Sea, Mountain and Mobility) and a 12 man HQ would be a decent size. Ima think about it. Although I might swap out the Mountain troop for something else. Special Weapons Support maybe? Then add a Winter, Desert, Jungle Trainer to the HQ?
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05-13-2021, 02:07 PM | #23657 |
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the way I understand it in the SAS is that you're whatever rank when you enter, and that is then your pay-grade, but you're treated as new meat and given the scut-work of the taskings. Like, 'oh, we need a guy to hold here and watch the vehicles, you're doing that FNG, the rest of us will go assault the building.' Once you've been given more responsibility that they build you up to, you get to be a patrol leader or a troop leader and then you're the one bossing the FNGs around. But it's meritocratic, you prove your worth and get given more to do or you prove less able and get less to do. Once you get RTU, you get your 'old rank' back.
Certainly this is the impression that's given in the books I've read on the Pathfinder Platoon, which is described by both authors as being a kind of mini-SAS. Steve Heaney (writer of X Platoon and Operation Mayhem) talks about having to go back to the regular Paras to get promoted from Corporal to Sergeant. He was thus in the Paras in Kosovo after being in the PF, before going back to PF for Sierra Leone and Afghanistan. In X Platoon, there is a bit where a US Army Ranger is in the UK to do a period with the PF, and he's put through their Selection course and after day 1, tells the OC he's not getting up at oh-dawn-thirty for a cross-country march and goes back to bed and when a sergeant tries to get him back out of bed, he refuses and they send him back to the States, so unfortunately, we never get an idea of how a US guy would integrate. I always assumed they only ever called each other by their codenames and tbh, it irritated me reading Battle Action Force strips on BFTB and them calling each other 'Muller' or 'Campbell'. OPSEC PEOPLE! |
05-14-2021, 12:51 PM | #23658 |
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05-14-2021, 01:52 PM | #23659 |
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Quote:
Nice to have you on the thread.
As for wiping their existence from the system to be completely anonymous, that makes a lot of sense. We sort of saw that play out with IDW series. It sort of has it's limitations based reality of any military unit. I am curious what most Delta guys have as their MOS or what unit they are listed as part of. I think if the Joes were like a 12-50 man unit, then something like that could easily work, but then it's all for fun so and whatever works your Joeverse is all up to you. My Joe unit is probably like 500 members and then there are probably another 2000 support people that I just imagine that are there or they have the right to just swoop in and use the available support in the Area of Operations(AO). I suppose there are two camps of Joe Fan takes on ranks. Those who pay little attention to them and those who can obsess about them. I find myself in the latter camp, and almost all my commmand structures follow along a strict ranking system, since in the US military rank means almost everything. With Special Operations it means even more, but just for the fact that a seasoned 30 year old Green Beret E-7 Sgt First Class is far and away a much better soldier than an E-4 Dusty. First of all I imagine most E-4s are probably under 24 years old. While these days six years in the military can get you plenty of combat experience, one would probably hit E-6 if they were any good to join the Joes. So you will see alot of us bump up the ranks of some of out favorites, since Dusty should be an E-7 really, maybe an E-6 at least. I am always intrigued by how the SAS rank structures work and how well that works (I hope it's base on Merit) and what happens once a member leaves and goes back to regular Army. Also how do attached members from foreign militarys fit into a command structure of a host unit say in the case of Big Ben or Skymate? As for the SAS ranks, here's an excerpt from ex SAS Regimental Sergeant Major Peter Ratcliffe's Eye of the Storm about the subject |
05-14-2021, 02:19 PM | #23660 |
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That all makes sense in the sense of good HouseKeeping, but at some point it probably has to come up for the Delta Guys, for example, when guys are discussing military service with say a neighbor who is also military. I mean do they have a cover they use? Maybe it just doesn't come up. Or Servicemen know when not to ask any, and civilians have no idea. Thanks Tyroc
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