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08-13-2012, 05:52 PM | #17901 |
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I'm not finding info on anything current. The unit that used to be at the base in Panama was moved to Fort Sam Houston, but I can't imagine that they'd be able to do alot of jungle training in Texas. My guess would be one of the bases in the Pacific, but which one, I don't know.
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08-13-2012, 05:53 PM | #17902 |
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08-13-2012, 06:36 PM | #17903 |
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That is the only one I knew about but I never realized army trained there too.
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08-13-2012, 11:29 PM | #17904 |
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A few years back, Oliver sent Hama a few questions by email. In one of his responses he said something to the effect of, "I imagine that most of the Joes would be Airborne and Ranger qualified." I've always taken that as license to add those qualifications to the Joes where it would make sense, but isn't specifically stated (Spearhead, Dusty, Hit&Run those type of guys). I don't have time to go back and find the page, but Oliver posted his emails and Hama's responses in this thread, but it was a long time ago.
Do you base their relative age on the years the figures were released or is there some other source that gives that info? I can't argue against your point of some sloppy writing in the file cards, but without some other piece of canon to go by, I'm tempted to stick with my original assumption. Quote:
I don't think he's old at all. I think the JWTC is just a sloppy filecard reference. Muskrat has it too. No one but maybe the first 5 series of Joes maybe Vietnam vets. The one is Panama closed in 1999. As an E-4 he would barely have time to go through Q-courses. Don't get me wrong I like him as a Green Beret.
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There is only one official file card for Wreckage and there isn't much background info to go on, but there is enough that I feel pretty comfortable making the following assumptions:
He is Army (per Oliver's observation that there is no evidence for another branch and his specialty works for Army) Airborne qualified (based on Hama's email) Ranger qualified (based on Hama's email) He is one of the older Joes (per Tanksmasher the Army's JWTC changed it's name in 68, meaning Wreckage must have been there before the name change) The following assumptions I'm also confident of, but I think there is less evidence for these in the original file card. Special Forces (based on the fact that the card states he was part of the cadre at the Army's JWTC and the JWTC was run by Special Forces, however per Oliver Special Forces didn't take the JWTC over until 70-71 and we've got pretty good evidence that Wreckage was there before 68, maybe he was still there in 70-71 and the file card uses the pre-68 name for the JWTC because he started there pre-68?) Vietnam vet (based off that fact that he may have been in Special Forces during the late 60's to early 70's, on this one I may be way out on a limb but if I have his age right, he's an expert in jungle warfare, and he is good with explosives/booby traps then he would seem to be a very useful soldier for the war in Vietnam) Anybody have other thoughts on this? Quote:
I'm not finding info on anything current. The unit that used to be at the base in Panama was moved to Fort Sam Houston, but I can't imagine that they'd be able to do alot of jungle training in Texas. My guess would be one of the bases in the Pacific, but which one, I don't know.
I figure Wreckage was Airborne, Sapper, and Ranger qualified when he applied for SF selection. Just my theory. I figure he came out of some hot conventional unit like 20th Combat Engineers at Ft. Bragg.
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08-14-2012, 11:15 AM | #17905 |
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I tend to also think that Wreckage is a younger guy. He was a recent addition to the team, one of the last truly new characters to join. I think the bit about JWTC is a filecard error. He could certainly have nearly any secondary MOS. Any MOS can try out for SF. However, if he was an 89 series, it is unlikely that he would have been Ranger qualified, but not impossible. More likely, 21B or something in the 21 series would allow him to train as a combat engineer, go to Ranger School, and possibly get to go through EOD training, but what's more likely is that he's "Sapper" qualified.
I figure Wreckage was Airborne, Sapper, and Ranger qualified when he applied for SF selection. Just my theory. I figure he came out of some hot conventional unit like 20th Combat Engineers at Ft. Bragg. I like you suggestion of 21B. Does anyone know where I can find a list of all MOS for the Army. I have been using the list on Wikipedia, but I'm finding that it doesn't have them all. I tried that link on Wiki to go to the Army's site, but I can't get it to come up on this computer. |
08-14-2012, 12:14 PM | #17906 |
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I'm finally putting together a custom Tiger Force team. I'm going to try and stick with the original characters as much as possible. So far, this is what I have:
18A- Claymore (o-ring but looking for modern fig) 180A- Flint (25th TF Flint) 18Z- Duke (25th TF Duke) 18F- Sabertooth (25th custom by Griff) 18B- Roadblock (o-ring but 25th custom pending) 18B- 18C- Wreckage (25th custom by Griff) 18C- Tripwire (o-ring but 25th custom pending) 18D- Stalker (25th V1 Stalker) 18D- Outback (25th custom by Griff) 18E- Recondo (25th AoCI Recondo) 18E- Dusty (o-ring but 25th custom pending) I feel pretty good about these so far. Anybody have other suggestions. I'm trying to stick mainly with guys that were in the original Tiger Force and can be reasonably considered to be selected for Special Forces. Claymore wasn't part of Tiger Force, but I don't use Mission Brazil as a team and thought he'd fit in perfectly with TF. Tripwire wasn't SF, but I have the figure and am planning a nice custom, so I'm going to rework his filecard. Stalker also wasn't SF, but he'd be as good a canidate for selection as anyone else the Joes have so he'll get a reworked filecard as well. Outback isn't a medic, but I put him as 18D figuring that with his survival training he'd have extensive knowledge in first aid and taking care of sick and wounded out in the field. The only thing I have for Recondo being an 18D is that his PoC figure looks like it came with some type of communications device. Dusty is in the same situation as 18D, but I'm going to rework his filecard and change the stuff about refridgeration repair to computer/communications. I also have an o-ring TF Bazooka, modern TF Wild Bill, and a modern Lifeline that could be customized into TF. These guys, I just can't see being selected for Special Forces. So I've left them off. I'd like to include guys that are either in the original Tiger Force and can be reasonably reworked to be Special Forces or guys that we know are Special Forces that can be added to the team. I hope that makes sense. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
08-14-2012, 12:21 PM | #17907 |
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Well, I think you and Loose have changed my mind on this. I'm going to go with a young Wreckage.
I like you suggestion of 21B. Does anyone know where I can find a list of all MOS for the Army. I have been using the list on Wikipedia, but I'm finding that it doesn't have them all. I tried that link on Wiki to go to the Army's site, but I can't get it to come up on this computer. Army Enlisted Job (MOS) Descriptions . Also remember some of the filecard specialties aren't true MOS, but general jobs.
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08-14-2012, 12:27 PM | #17908 |
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The list on wikipedia has most of the current MOSs. There are some obsolete jobs the can be on Military Skills Translator | Military.com . Hit military and browse by service. There's a list at
Army Enlisted Job (MOS) Descriptions . Also remember some of the filecard specialties aren't true MOS, but general jobs. |
08-14-2012, 10:52 PM | #17909 |
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I'm finally putting together a custom Tiger Force team. I'm going to try and stick with the original characters as much as possible. So far, this is what I have:
18A- Claymore (o-ring but looking for modern fig) 180A- Flint (25th TF Flint) 18Z- Duke (25th TF Duke) 18F- Sabertooth (25th custom by Griff) 18B- Roadblock (o-ring but 25th custom pending) 18B- 18C- Wreckage (25th custom by Griff) 18C- Tripwire (o-ring but 25th custom pending) 18D- Stalker (25th V1 Stalker) 18D- Outback (25th custom by Griff) 18E- Recondo (25th AoCI Recondo) 18E- Dusty (o-ring but 25th custom pending) I feel pretty good about these so far. Anybody have other suggestions. I'm trying to stick mainly with guys that were in the original Tiger Force and can be reasonably considered to be selected for Special Forces. Claymore wasn't part of Tiger Force, but I don't use Mission Brazil as a team and thought he'd fit in perfectly with TF. Tripwire wasn't SF, but I have the figure and am planning a nice custom, so I'm going to rework his filecard. Stalker also wasn't SF, but he'd be as good a canidate for selection as anyone else the Joes have so he'll get a reworked filecard as well. Outback isn't a medic, but I put him as 18D figuring that with his survival training he'd have extensive knowledge in first aid and taking care of sick and wounded out in the field. The only thing I have for Recondo being an 18D is that his PoC figure looks like it came with some type of communications device. Dusty is in the same situation as 18D, but I'm going to rework his filecard and change the stuff about refridgeration repair to computer/communications. I also have an o-ring TF Bazooka, modern TF Wild Bill, and a modern Lifeline that could be customized into TF. These guys, I just can't see being selected for Special Forces. So I've left them off. I'd like to include guys that are either in the original Tiger Force and can be reasonably reworked to be Special Forces or guys that we know are Special Forces that can be added to the team. I hope that makes sense. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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08-15-2012, 05:17 PM | #17910 |
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This is a good list, but I think you're missing Beach-head who was added as a "leader" figure for Tiger Force at a Joe Con a few years ago... in the Convention file card, Beach-Head was listed as an 18B... plus, I think he's a great addition to the team. If you don't want to pay for a Con figure, the new POC Beach-Head has a pretty good "Tiger" themed uniform already.
Another idea I've been kicking around is Sky Patrol customs. I love Sky Patrol, but I don't see them getting made any time soon. I think there was a discussion on this thread a ways back about there file cards listing some impressive qualifications, but their figures were a bit outlandish looking. I'm going to keep the filecard info (except that whole problem with the ranks, that needs to be updated), but I'm thinking of using 30th Steel Brigade bodies, with different heads, weapons, and web gear to differentiate the 6 of them. |
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