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07-03-2011, 07:44 PM | #16471 |
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I tend to use the Troopers as every Cobra Combat arms except Infantry. They drive tanks, operate Artillery cannons and missle systems. Obviously they can perform basic Infantry tasks in a pinch...
However, with the new POC troopers being such great figures, maybe they are a more logical choice for warmer climates. It seems like those Viper helmets would be awfully hot in the Jungle or desert.
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07-03-2011, 09:29 PM | #16472 |
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I tend to use the Troopers as every Cobra Combat arms except Infantry. They drive tanks, operate Artillery cannons and missle systems. Obviously they can perform basic Infantry tasks in a pinch...
However, with the new POC troopers being such great figures, maybe they are a more logical choice for warmer climates. It seems like those Viper helmets would be awfully hot in the Jungle or desert. |
07-04-2011, 06:29 AM | #16473 |
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I have the Blue shirts as the bottom of the barrel. I like to use the DTC Blue Shirts as the naval Cobra sailors.
Blue shirts can go to Viper Training, which I guess would make them more like say the Rangers of Cobra. Cobra Blue Shirt sailors can go to Eel Training, which I think may be a step below navy Seals. I think if they then do Snow Serpent or Para-Viper then we get into a more SEAL equivalent. Back to Blue Shirts who have become Vipers , then can then move on to more advance training. SAWs, HEAT, FRAG, FLAK those guys are just more specialized, but not say better trained than the average Viper. They had to Start out as Vipers and became specialized for whatever reason. Monetary incentives would be my guess. Some Vipers want an even bigger challenge and try out for Alley-Vipers or the Range-Vipers, or the Jungle Vipers. Jungle Vipers are either the Force Recon or Marine Sniper Equiv. Range-Vipers are the Green Berets or MARSOC in my book. They get sent to wilderness and have to win over the locals. I use to equate the Alley Vipers as the SAS equivalents for Cobra. Seems sort of an Oxy-Moron, but I think they are equally adept at Urban Combat. Now you add the Shock-Troopers which I like to equate as the Blue Shirt Version of the Alley Viper. Like Air Force 24th STS. Close but and just as tough. I would say Pit-Vipers as infiltrator would probably be more elite unit as well, like Army's ISA would probably be more their role. I like to use the Elite-Vipers as the cream of the Crop. Cobra's Delta Force. Crimson Guards being a whole 'nother beast. They are like the SAD guys.
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07-05-2011, 10:09 AM | #16474 |
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It makes sense to me that Cobra specialists aren't all elite units - the weapons specialists are the equivalent of infantry heavy weapons troopers. Obviously it probably takes more specialization to be a Flak Viper than a Frag Viper, but I don't think the Flak Vipers are particularly badass. I guess the Vipers might be a little better trained (certainly better equiped) than the blueshirts, but in the comic they were never portrayed as being any tougher.
I see the climate specialists as more special forcesish, and the Alley Vipers are clearly an elite of some sort. But it makes little sense to me that more than 10% of Cobra Troopers at most are parts of these high status units. |
07-05-2011, 12:52 PM | #16475 |
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I always figured the Vipers and "blueshirts" were the same, just that as Cobra became more successful in the arms trade they upgraded the uniforms to give them better protection on the battlefield. Eels make sense as a version of the old UDT specialty, with Snow Serpents and Paravipers as SEAL types. I would think that Shock Troopers/Shock Vipers work with Alley Vipers in urban environments. I figure the ST/SVs are the first wave, like riot polise. AVs root out any resistance in a city.
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07-05-2011, 03:41 PM | #16476 |
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Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Breaker's original filecard mentions that he was a part of Project GAMMA. Project GAMMA was a top secret intelligence-gathering operation conducted by the 5th Special Forces Group in Cambodia during the late 1960s.
Does this mean he was SF at the time? (remember that prior to 1983, soldiers who joined the SF Groups retained whatever their source MOS was--they were usually infantrymen, but there was also the occasional radio operator or medical corpsman--and simply got a Special Forces SQI appended to their personnel forms) Or was he a non-SF soldier in an SF support role? |
07-05-2011, 09:12 PM | #16477 |
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I have the Blue shirts as the bottom of the barrel. I like to use the DTC Blue Shirts as the naval Cobra sailors.
Blue shirts can go to Viper Training, which I guess would make them more like say the Rangers of Cobra. Cobra Blue Shirt sailors can go to Eel Training, which I think may be a step below navy Seals. I think if they then do Snow Serpent or Para-Viper then we get into a more SEAL equivalent. Back to Blue Shirts who have become Vipers , then can then move on to more advance training. SAWs, HEAT, FRAG, FLAK those guys are just more specialized, but not say better trained than the average Viper. They had to Start out as Vipers and became specialized for whatever reason. Monetary incentives would be my guess. Some Vipers want an even bigger challenge and try out for Alley-Vipers or the Range-Vipers, or the Jungle Vipers. Jungle Vipers are either the Force Recon or Marine Sniper Equiv. Range-Vipers are the Green Berets or MARSOC in my book. They get sent to wilderness and have to win over the locals. I use to equate the Alley Vipers as the SAS equivalents for Cobra. Seems sort of an Oxy-Moron, but I think they are equally adept at Urban Combat. Now you add the Shock-Troopers which I like to equate as the Blue Shirt Version of the Alley Viper. Like Air Force 24th STS. Close but and just as tough. I would say Pit-Vipers as infiltrator would probably be more elite unit as well, like Army's ISA would probably be more their role. I like to use the Elite-Vipers as the cream of the Crop. Cobra's Delta Force. Crimson Guards being a whole 'nother beast. They are like the SAD guys. |
07-06-2011, 12:07 AM | #16478 |
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I always figured the Vipers and "blueshirts" were the same, just that as Cobra became more successful in the arms trade they upgraded the uniforms to give them better protection on the battlefield. Eels make sense as a version of the old UDT specialty, with Snow Serpents and Paravipers as SEAL types. I would think that Shock Troopers/Shock Vipers work with Alley Vipers in urban environments. I figure the ST/SVs are the first wave, like riot polise. AVs root out any resistance in a city.
I feel like I left out some of the other elite type vipers. Quote:
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Breaker's original filecard mentions that he was a part of Project GAMMA. Project GAMMA was a top secret intelligence-gathering operation conducted by the 5th Special Forces Group in Cambodia during the late 1960s.
Does this mean he was SF at the time? (remember that prior to 1983, soldiers who joined the SF Groups retained whatever their source MOS was--they were usually infantrymen, but there was also the occasional radio operator or medical corpsman--and simply got a Special Forces SQI appended to their personnel forms) Or was he a non-SF soldier in an SF support role?
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07-06-2011, 02:40 AM | #16479 |
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I remember we touched on it some time ago, because that made me change Breaker to Special Forces in my book. Plus I bumped him up in rank. He started out as the youngest kid on the team. But the timeline would be all wrong if he were an active member of the military during Vietnam and was still a Corporal 11years later. Plus Special Forces to boot. Still I'm just grabbing the essence of what it meant. I suppose he could have been a linquistic Genius,, and so he was brought in as an interpreter. But I like to think not only is he a linguist, but a badass with a gun as well.
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07-06-2011, 09:29 PM | #16480 |
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Because of his involvement with GAMMA, I too made him Special Forces but had him leave the military after his tour only to return years later.
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