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#13011 |
#voteblackjack
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International G.I. Joe Collectors' Convention - GIJoeCon 2010!
What do you guys think of the souvenir figures? When heard it was 2 Q-Force with kayaks I was hoping for Beaver. Instead we get Dolphin (who wasn't part of Q-Force) and Natalie (who the hell? I know she was some 12" figure). For Z-Force I pegged Gaucho (who they did a good job making stand out as more then a Gung-Ho repaint) and Jammer. But Lifeline painted as Doc? Huh? Weird... I'm not sure if I want 'em or not. Undecided. I think I really only want Dolphin (who is cool looking), Jammer and Gaucho. The repainted Indy car is odd. The base is odd as well.
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#13012 |
EQ-Viper
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canada
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re the discussion about MOSes and whether people have secondary MOSes; in e.g. the SAS, soldiers in a squadron are split into "troops" (i.e. air, boat, mountain, mobility) which might provide a primary MOS (I imagine) and within each 4 man "patrol" each member will have a primary specialisation and normally a secondary too (to provide overlap) - e.g. comms, medic, demo, FAC, linguist.
A lot of the MOSs used in the old ARAH filecards aren't MOSs at all. Things like "Demolitions" (Tripwire's secondary MOS according to his 1983 filecard) or "Dog Handler" (Mutt's primary MOS according to his 1984 filecard) aren't MOSs. They're just descriptions of duties associated with actual MOSs: demolition work is associated with the engineering MOSs (such as the combat engineer, diver, and quarrying specialist MOSs) while to qualify for the dog handler ASI, a soldier must first be qualified in the military police MOS. An accurate primary MOS for Mutt therefore would be "military police", and not "dog handler". Last edited by zuludelta; 04-29-2010 at 09:37 PM.. |
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#13013 |
#voteblackjack
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Here's the thing. A MOS (or Rating or AFSOC) is taken from a specific listing of jobs requiring formal specialty training in the military. There are a little over 50 separate enlisted specialties in the Canadian Forces, for example. The British Army has around 130. The US Army has something like 230.
A lot of the MOSs used in the old ARAH filecards aren't MOSs at all. Things like "Demolitions" (Tripwire's secondary MOS according to his 1983 filecard) or "Dog Handler" (Mutt's primary MOS according to his 1984 filecard) aren't MOSs. They're just descriptions of duties associated with actual MOSs: demolition work is associated with the engineering MOSs (such as the combat engineer, diver, and quarrying specialist MOSs) while to qualify for the dog handler ASI, a soldier must first be qualified in the military police MOS. An accurate primary MOS for Mutt therefore would be "military police", and not "dog handler". So would MP be a primary or a "stop" along the way?
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#13014 |
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, a soldier can be qualified in multiple MOSs, but he/she can only be "active" (employed) at any given time in one MOS.
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I notice that there seems to be some confusion in this thread about Rangers. Simplifying things, there are basically two "kinds" of Rangers in the US Army. The one that most people are familiar with are Ranger-qualified personnel. These are male NCOs and officers (rank E-4 and upwards) who have completed the 3 month Ranger School regimen. Ranger School is a combat arms-centric leadership course. Ranger School graduates are entitled to wear the Ranger tab for the duration of their careers. It used to be that Ranger School was only open to soldiers qualified in the combat arms fields (infantry, armor, artillery, etc.) with the occasional waiver granted to combat support soldiers (intelligence, MPs, combat engineers, etc.) but in the past couple of decades, it's been opened up to all male soldiers who fulfill the prerequisites, regardless of MOS qualifications. The other "kind" of Ranger are the members of the 75th Ranger Regiment, an airborne light infantry unit subordinated to the Army's Special Operations Command. To gain entry into the 75th RR, a soldier must pass the Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP), which is wholly different from Ranger School (RIP has a much higher failure rate than Ranger School from what I've read). All potential members of the 75th RR ranked E-5 and below, from the infantrymen to the cooks to the human resources specialists, must go through RIP in order to join the regiment (although RIP is no longer required for soldiers going into the 75th RR's Special Troops Battalion as of 2007). Successfully passing RIP entitles a soldier to wear the tan Ranger beret (it used to be the black Ranger beret, before the black beret became the standard Army-wide head cover) for the duration of his assignment to the Regiment (but not the Ranger tab). While many 75th RR NCOs eventually go to Ranger School and earn their Ranger tabs, not all of them do nor are they strictly required to do so. Members of the 75th RR who don't go to Ranger School are technically Rangers only for the duration of their assignment to the 75th RR (but don't tell them that to their face ![]() Last edited by zuludelta; 04-29-2010 at 10:09 PM.. |
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#13015 |
#voteblackjack
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I get the differences between Ranger-Qualified and 75th Rangers.
But having Mutt be an MP seems counter-productive to having him be Ranger-Qualified. Just seems like odd choices, if that makes sense. Seems like someone would be an MP or they wouldn't, doesn't seem the MOS that you'd go into for training and then out of.
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#13016 |
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Location: Canada
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International G.I. Joe Collectors' Convention - GIJoeCon 2010!
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#13017 |
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Not really. Ranger School is a leadership course, first and foremost, and it's recommended for any male NCO in the combat arms and combat support fields looking to become an Army NCO lifer, regardless of their MOS (a military working dog handler-qualified MP who graduates from Ranger School doesn't "stop" being a military working dog handler-qualified MP and "becomes" a Ranger, he just becomes a Ranger-qualified and military working dog handler-qualified MP). It's the RSLC (Reconnaissance and Surveillance Leaders Course), which is sort of like the "Ranger Graduate School", that would seem to be at odds (or at least a poor fit) with being an MP.
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#13018 |
Crimson Guard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hope, ME
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I can't really get excited about o-ring style figures anymore. I know some people still like them, but they're not for me.
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#13019 |
Hog Driver
Join Date: Aug 2008
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International G.I. Joe Collectors' Convention - GIJoeCon 2010!
What do you guys think of the souvenir figures? When heard it was 2 Q-Force with kayaks I was hoping for Beaver. Instead we get Dolphin (who wasn't part of Q-Force) and Natalie (who the hell? I know she was some 12" figure). For Z-Force I pegged Gaucho (who they did a good job making stand out as more then a Gung-Ho repaint) and Jammer. But Lifeline painted as Doc? Huh? Weird... I'm not sure if I want 'em or not. Undecided. I think I really only want Dolphin (who is cool looking), Jammer and Gaucho. The repainted Indy car is odd. The base is odd as well. |
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#13020 |
#voteblackjack
Join Date: Sep 2008
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I realy wish it had been Beaver instead of Dolphin.
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