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02-28-2010, 01:26 AM | #11931 |
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02-28-2010, 01:32 AM | #11932 |
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I was talking about the comicbooks Oliver. Yeah the filecard/dogtag thingy is pretty worthless the only thing you gather from them is that he is a Marine Lt. That's it. The roster not being much bigger than Sigma Six.
Stone Mayday Ballistic Striker Black Dragon Freight Grill Sgt Savage Who else Zulu? However, when you mentioned books, it made me think of something I found recently on the Tank: G.I. Joe Novels from the 80's for young readers. They were pretty short (120 pages) or so and written by people like R.L. Stine. There were 6 of them in all. There was a thread about them recently, and so I read through it to see what all the fuss was about, because I was living in Hawaii at that time, and there was a LOT of Joe stuff that we didn't see on the Islands. Anyway, I found all 6 of them on ebay very cheap, and I'm going to check them out. I figure - Hey, how bad can they be? And if it's with all the characters from the 80's? I'm game. I'll let you know if they're any good.
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02-28-2010, 02:02 AM | #11933 |
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Sorry, Zulu. I'm going to say that Mazinger had it right to begin with. Marines and Soldiers go back and forth about thier training requirements. And here's the truth: 99% of the Army has never been through Marine Corps training, and 99% of the Marine Corps has never been through Army Training, so both sides don't have adequate experience to know what their talking about... everyone else just reads about the training, or watches a documentary on the Military Channel, and tries to make comparisons between the two. It's all malarchy.
The Marines are very tough, but a LOT of their training in nearly every Combat job except Infantry is Army Training: Marine Armor? Ft. Knox. Marine Artillery? Ft. Sill. Marine Airborne? Ft. Benning. It's the same training. The Marines have great looking uniforms, and their physical fitness test is arguably a little tougher (though 2/3 of the exersizes are different, so that's a little hard to say). However, the average U.S. Marine is a 19 year old, Lance Corporal... they do 4 years and get out. Those young guys should be able to do a lot physically. Generally speaking, the Marines who love the Corps the most are Former Marines. It's also just under 200,000 active and reserve Marines. The Army is not a bunch of slouches. The U.S. Army is probably the best Army in the world. The only ones in the free world that really give it a run for it's money are the British and the Australian Armies. It doesn't quite have the same physical standards or the Marines, but if you look at the scope of the Armies mission, it's also doing a lot more, and a lot more technical tasks. Besides that, if you took the Top 200,000 soldiers, and went man to man with the Marines, I'm sure the Army would hold up just fine. The 82nd, the 173rd, and the 101st are some of the most professional conventional troops in the world. And the Ranger Regiment is probably the best light Infantry Unit in the world, with the possible exception of the British Paras. The Rangers are Head and Shoulders above the Marine Corps Infantry. Basic Training: Every Soldier and Marine is trained in the Basics of Infantry Tactics. And those are perishable skills. So the Marine Clerk who gets through basic... after two years as a clerk, he's no better of an Infantryman than the Army clerk who went to Army Basic. Marine Corps Basic is longer than the Army's, but the Marines are not just learning "soldier skills"; they also have to learn alot about the Navy, and that takes some time. Their Infantry School is much shorter than the Army's. It pretty much evens out. A lot of it boils down to leadership. Generally speaking, clerks/cooks who might have to fight would be led by an NCO or an Officer - given that we're talking in hypotheticals about an emergency situation. I can't say a lot about Marine NCO's or Officers. I've worked with very few, and the NCO's I've known have been very professional, but I've never worked with them in the field. The Officers have likewise been very likeable and curteous, but I've never worked with them in the field. However, the training for Combat Officers, in my opinion, is hands down better in the Army. Let's compare the Academies - West Point Grads make up about 25% of the Officer Corps in the Army. I would imagine it's a similar percentage in the Marine Corps from Annapolis. For producing combat Officers - West Point is Hands Down the superior program for leadership. They train officers to lead soldiers in the field. That's their whole program. Annapolis is training their students to deal with equipment and "manage" people. Marine Officers from an academy background have a lot of "catch up" work to do. ROTC - it's pretty much the same story. Army ROTC programs are designed to train officers to lead soldiers in combat. Navy ROTC is about wearing a uniform, talking about "the Fleet", and marching around... there is NO combat training. So I have to be honest, all things being equal among Marine and Army POGs, if they're being led by an Officer from their repective Branch, I'll take the group of soldiers any day over the Marines. Mazinger is right: Every soldier is a rifleman. That's what being a "soldier" means.
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02-28-2010, 03:20 AM | #11934 |
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So, Air Mobility Assets, as in Heavy Aircraft pilots. The 25th (1986) General Hawk, I think he just assumed the role of Hawk. He will be my heavy aircraft pilot (C-17, C-130 or C-141) Several reasons Im making him Air Force. First off he doesnt look like Colonel/General Hawk from the comics. Secondly his B-3 Bomber jacket. Third, in his office on the show we see aircraft adorning his desk. Also, during The (1987) Movie he leads the Conquest X-30 Squadron (not that that has any merit but in my head it works, Hawk with Air, Duke with ground forces and it gives me a new character). Later on he had Strategic Operations as his MOS, sounds like he was SAC before all the 90's reorganizing. Im giving him the rank of Lieutenant Colonel (a silver star could look like a silver oak leaf). Im giving him the codename: Atlas.
Another character Comic 2-pack Duke (the one with Red Star), since he looks more like Hawk, He will be in Artilliary as a Armidillo Operator. Still need to come up with a new name for him. My Armadillo tanks are experimental mobile Artillary vehicles.
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02-28-2010, 03:32 AM | #11935 |
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Sorry, Zulu. I'm going to say that Mazinger had it right to begin with. Marines and Soldiers go back and forth about thier training requirements. And here's the truth: 99% of the Army has never been through Marine Corps training, and 99% of the Marine Corps has never been through Army Training, so both sides don't have adequate experience to know what their talking about... everyone else just reads about the training, or watches a documentary on the Military Channel, and tries to make comparisons between the two.
Just screwing with you, man. Seriously, I get the point you're trying to put across I guess having US Navy sailors in my family, I've been hearing the "Every Marine a Rifleman" thing a lot. Obviously, my perceptions of the services have been shaped by the traditional inter-service rivalries, as I suppose most everybody else's are. Last edited by zuludelta; 02-28-2010 at 04:09 AM.. |
02-28-2010, 04:40 AM | #11936 |
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Yeah I've always hated the search function too but I wouldn't go because of it.
I'm glad you're using Spirit and Mutt together. That's what I did with my Combat Tracker Team. I had thought of putting Recondo on that team as well because of jungle warfare training but decided to put him in my recon platoon instead. i really like the pairing of mutt/ junkyard & spirit and coincidentally they are on the same team as recondo in my verse. its a mix of hide n seek joes that i'm designating as my jungle ops team: Big Brawler Crossfire Side Track Pathfinder Outback Bench Press Muskrat Recondo Cross Hair Spirit Mutt & Junkyard Ambush |
02-28-2010, 05:08 AM | #11937 |
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Don't you just love it when you use paper to outline your Joe team. You think "Finally I have it perfect" then something pops into your brain and gotta start over again.
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02-28-2010, 09:15 PM | #11938 |
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I caught a little bit of Rambo 2,where the person in charge was reading Rambo`s file. One of his qualifications was to fly helicopters. I think Chuck Norris did a couple of movies like Rambo. In the movie The Battle of the Bulge all the Army cooks and bakers were rounded up to defend the town of Bastone(?).
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03-01-2010, 01:15 AM | #11939 |
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You haven't added Rambo and Col. Braddock to your verse yet BCross? Yeah I mentioned the other day as to why I thought Flint was a helicopter pilot was because Rambo 2 came out just before and I think they were trying to ride his coat tails. Maybe not, but I would say Rambo is the most famous fictional Green Beret character.
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03-01-2010, 01:23 AM | #11940 |
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One question I'd like ask (although it's more rhetorical than anything else) is how many people actually know that Rambo is a former Green Beret? The nature of his SF experience and training was front-and-center on Fiirst Blood (one of my favourite films of the early 1980s), but it seems to have been shoved aside in favour of "Hollywood super soldier" in the largely forgettable sequels (which, I think, are actually more popular and widely watched than the original film... I know a lot of people who think that Rambo: First Blood Part II was the first movie in the film franchise despite the title stating the obvious :P).
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