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02-21-2012, 02:11 PM | #41 |
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I do agree that they've taken the nobling of the Empire too far with the recent novel series (the current one and the Darth Cadeaus one).
I think it should have stopped with the Emperor. Totally evil bastard who thinks the galaxy would be better with him in charge. Think Dr. Doom (but not as noble/honorable). Doom is a bastard, no denying, but in his own twisted way he has the earth's best intentions at heart. It just has to be his way or else. There are lots of villians like that. Ra's Al Ghul is another. In his warped mind, wiping out half the population is a good thing for the Earth's survival. For the Emperor, it was more of "this galaxy will be destroyed and me along with it, unless I do something".
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02-21-2012, 02:13 PM | #42 |
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Stormtroopers join the forces of cobra? I am soo goonna Army Build Jar Jar Binks Vipers...mesa thinkin they bombbad!
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02-21-2012, 02:13 PM | #43 |
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Well, I'm not really sure we should use "The Simpsons" as a gauge, but I do see your point. I realize time doesn't pass at the same rate in fiction, but if that's the case, what decade should the fictional G.I. Joe universe exist in at this point? Keeping in mind that Hasbro wants to keep using the same characters and they probably don't want senior citizen heroes.
However, I have to admit that it -is- kind of hilarious to think that Peter Parker, despite having been a high-school student just 10-15 years ago, was dressing and talking like it was the 60's in the 1990's, and that he didn't catch up with the 70's until the early 2000's.... Even with generous allowances for time compression, comics also have an unfortunate tendency to date themselves with "timely" references. 20 years from now, Spider-Man's meeting with Barack Obama will mean that he should be 50+ years old.... ;) Last edited by Jmacq1; 02-21-2012 at 02:16 PM.. |
02-21-2012, 02:15 PM | #44 |
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The reason I like Zahn's novels so much are the additions he added: Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Garm Bel Iblis.
That and the increased presence he gave Wedge Antilles.
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02-21-2012, 02:20 PM | #45 |
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I do agree that they've taken the nobling of the Empire too far with the recent novel series (the current one and the Darth Cadeaus one).
I think it should have stopped with the Emperor. Totally evil bastard who thinks the galaxy would be better with him in charge. Think Dr. Doom (but not as noble/honorable). Doom is a bastard, no denying, but in his own twisted way he has the earth's best intentions at heart. It just has to be his way or else. There are lots of villians like that. Ra's Al Ghul is another. In his warped mind, wiping out half the population is a good thing for the Earth's survival. For the Emperor, it was more of "this galaxy will be destroyed and me along with it, unless I do something". To me, it's more like, "Hey, this huge invading horror will give me yet another excuse to crack down on the galaxy under the pretense of "bringing them together" so we can fight back! Then once the invaders are beaten the galaxy will be even more crushed under my heel and dependent on me for leadership than ever before!" Basically everything he does should be, at its' core, self-serving. The classic ploy of absolutist regimes, in other words: Stir up conflict with an outside source so that the people are more focused on that enemy than say, realizing their life sucks and rising up to overthrow you. Last edited by Jmacq1; 02-21-2012 at 02:23 PM.. |
02-21-2012, 02:26 PM | #46 |
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I think the Emperor was more of the traditional "I'm better then everyone else, and only I can save everyone so they better do what I say", where Caedus and Vader were the "I'll use whatever means necessary to save those I love".
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02-21-2012, 02:27 PM | #47 |
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Yeah, the old "sliding/compressed timescale" issue that plagues all long-running comic franchises.
However, I have to admit that it -is- kind of hilarious to think that Peter Parker, despite having been a high-school student just 10-15 years ago, was dressing and talking like it was the 60's in the 1990's, and that he didn't catch up with the 70's until the early 2000's.... Even with generous allowances for time compression, comics also have an unfortunate tendency to date themselves with "timely" references. 20 years from now, Spider-Man's meeting with Barack Obama will mean that he should be 50+ years old.... ;) |
02-21-2012, 02:45 PM | #48 |
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I have been a huge fan of both the SW and GJ lines but I have to admit that the connected story line of SW has been much more interesting than that of GJ...with that being said I also enjoy(ed) the different depictions that I have seen in the GJ storyline especially that of some of my Hisstank counterparts...also the GJ toys have always had the edge for me primarily because of the figure articulation...
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02-21-2012, 02:52 PM | #49 |
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I like the added dimension that Dark Side doesn't necessarily mean evil.
I think the Emperor was more of the traditional "I'm better then everyone else, and only I can save everyone so they better do what I say", where Caedus and Vader were the "I'll use whatever means necessary to save those I love". The Dark Side means evil. PERIOD (or it should, anyway). In fact, it usually means "crazy" too, especially if you weren't "brought up Dark Side." Yeah, you might be the delusional kind of evil that doesn't think you're evil or thinks that the ends justify the means or that you're just "making sacrifices for the greater good" or put up the pretense of being the "honorable" villain or the well-intentioned extremist but the bottom line is that you're still evil. You can "dabble" in the Dark Side without going full-on evil (see: Anakin up until Episode III) but every step brings you closer to that brink, until you suddenly go from "Zero to Child-Killer in two minutes of screentime" and ten minutes later are on the verge of choking to death the person you turned evil to protect. Dark siders are consumed by rage, hatred, and fear...nothing good can come of that in the long run. Because when you boil it down, Star Wars is supposed to be about good vs. evil. Too much moral relativism and you lose that. I totally understand how many people don't like their story that simple or black and white, but doggone it sometimes a story is supposed to be black and white. And the Emperor? Giving him some "noble purpose" basically twists the entire narrative into something it shouldn't be. The guy should be purely, utterly self-serving. Yes, he'll gladly take advantage of the possibility of an outside invader, or prepare for such an event...but not out of any sense of protecting anyone else...purely out of the desire to protect and/or expand his own personal power. He could care less if 99 percent of the galaxy dies as a result of either his practices or the invasion itself, so long as he's absolute ruler of whatever is left over afterwards. He doesn't seek power out of some sense that "it's for their own good" he seeks power purely for its' own sake. Or at least, that's how I feel he should be. Now what I am willing to grant is that "Sith" doesn't automatically mean "evil" (especially depending on the timeframe) but exceptions to that rule should be VERY few and far between. Likewise it's possible for some people to be "deeper" into the Dark Side than others (Mara Jade would be an example of someone that hasn't gone very deep during her time as Emperor's Hand), but for every (force-using) character there eventually comes a point where you have to decide if you're going to go swim in the deep end or turn away from that path...unless they get killed before reaching that brink. Again, just my views on the setting. I know some others don't agree. Last edited by Jmacq1; 02-21-2012 at 03:08 PM.. |
02-21-2012, 03:04 PM | #50 |
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The straight "good vs evil" gets lost when you add in the Sith race.
An entire race of people brought up on Dark Side teachings can't be pure evil or else they wouldn't be a threat because they'd spend so much time fighting eachother. Ruthless, selfish, rash, angry. All that, but not pure evil. I've never been a straight "black vs white" fan anyways.
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