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02-21-2012, 12:48 PM | #21 |
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Joe's different because it's never meant to be one continuous continuity.
Joe has had alot of different "universes" through the years. Adventure Team Marvel ARAH-DDP (comics) Marvel ARAH-IDW ARAH (comics) Extreme Sigma 6 Sunbow-Movie-DiC IDW (comics) DDP Reloaded (comics Rise of Cobra - Retaliation Renegades Resolute Action Figures |
02-21-2012, 12:50 PM | #22 |
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Would have been. Too late for it now.
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02-21-2012, 12:56 PM | #23 |
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The comics and the cartoon contradicted each other constantly, but with that you could sort of pick and choose your favorite parts and leave out the rest. It added a demention of Creativity Star Wars didn't have (although I remember kids attempting to play out what happened after ROTJ). Although I admit that with some of the contradictions in the SW universe now you can almost do the same, but the difference is SW is intended to be one big sprawling timeline, and often differnet creators bump into each others ideas because there is no real canon for before or after the main movies. Of course I tossed out the prequels a long time ago anyway, I just call them very expensive fanfiction with some toy support LOL.
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02-21-2012, 01:06 PM | #24 |
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Yeah, there's no way to fix it now. And everything new that comes out just seems to makes the Joe universe more inconsistent.
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02-21-2012, 01:15 PM | #25 |
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I have to disagree, I think that was what made GI Joe so much fun is that you could, from the very begining, go your own way with it.
The comics and the cartoon contradicted each other constantly, but with that you could sort of pick and choose your favorite parts and leave out the rest. It added a demention of Creativity Star Wars didn't have (although I remember kids attempting to play out what happened after ROTJ). Last edited by Troops of Doom; 02-21-2012 at 02:08 PM.. |
02-21-2012, 01:22 PM | #26 |
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Sorry, but neither one of those scenarios make any sense. The first one is simply made up and supported nowhere in the films. Which means it's either EU or fan fiction bullshit.
The second just ignores the context of the scene in "Jedi" where this is discussed. Luke specifically says "your real mother." It's clear he's talking about their biological mother. That's the whole point of that scene. Luke is about to tell Leia that they are twins and were separated at birth. Asking if she remembers her adoptive mother has nothing to do with that. It's also supported in the novelization of Episode III (which occupies a slightly higher "canon tier" in Lucasfilm's system than most other novels) in that it's explicitly noted that Leia's eyes are open and she sees Padme, whereas Luke doesn't. Either way, it only becomes a "conflict" if you completely discount the quasi-mystical nature of the Force. Now, I don't disagree that the intention of the OT scene was shifted by the prequels (generally, the timeline seems to have been shortened by 10-20 years overall between the OT and PT), but I find the explanation given to reconcile the difference in this case to be perfectly plausible...and not exactly something that can easily be shown "on-screen." Quote:
Of course, DDP had to "slide the timescale" to keep publishing the Joes as being "in their prime." Hence Snake-Eyes and Stalker were no longer Vietnam vets, just vets of some "unnamed Southeast Asian Conflict that couldn't possibly be Vietnam because it happened in like, the late 80's/early 90s." Last edited by Jmacq1; 02-21-2012 at 01:31 PM.. |
02-21-2012, 01:24 PM | #27 |
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actually it has in a way, but hasbro screwed it up along the way
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02-21-2012, 01:28 PM | #28 |
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a) The characters age appropriately and by now we have Snake Eyes who is 62 years old. b) The story is constantly updated to keep the characters at roughly the same age. c) All real world events are kept out of the fictional universe to avoid this problem altogether. d) Constantly introduce bew characters to replace the ones who are getting too old. Personally, I like option d. But Hasbro has always seemed to want to keep the G.I. universe revolving around Duke, Snake Eyes, Cobra Commander, etc. My point is that it's nearly impossible to keep a consistent continuity when you're dealing with a fictional universe that is meant to crossover with the real world at certain points. Even keeping characters the same within that universe is difficult. As the real world changes, the fictional world must change or it begins looking hopelessly outdated. |
02-21-2012, 01:36 PM | #29 |
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But it kind of is about events passing in real time if you're talking about "consistency." The Vietnam War is both a historical event and a plot point in the fictional G.I. Joe universe. If we accept that Duke, Stalker, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, etc. served in Vietnam, then we must also accept that that in 2012, they'd be in their sixties, if the continuity remains "consistent." So I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Our choices are:
a) The characters age appropriately and by now we have Snake Eyes who is 62 years old. b) The story is constantly updated to keep the characters at roughly the same age. c) All real world events are kept out of the fictional universe to avoid this problem altogether. d) Constantly introduce bew characters to replace the ones who are getting too old. Personally, I like option d. But Hasbro has always seemed to want to keep the G.I. universe revolving around Duke, Snake Eyes, Cobra Commander, etc. My point is that it's nearly impossible to keep a consistent continuity when you're dealing with a fictional universe that is meant to crossover with the real world at certain points. Even keeping characters the same within that universe is difficult. As the real world changes, the fictional world must change or it begins looking hopelessly outdated. Of course, this only becomes a problem in certain comic-verses of Joe-dom. Most of the "new" incarnations seem to imply (or outright show) that Snake-Eyes has been ninja-trained since childhood, for example, and since Stalker rarely appears as a main character anymore his relationship to Snake-Eyes and Storm-Shadow gets ignored. And funny enough, since Snake-Eyes is the character we've seen the most backstory of...the vast majority of the Joes require little or no updating at all simply because they've had little or no origin (much less a definitive one) given to them beyond perhaps their original filecards and/or an appearance that establishes some past connection to (you guessed it) Snake-Eyes. But that's always been a bit of a chuckle for me: Snake-Eyes is supposed to be "mysterious" but when you really think about it, we know WAY more about him than we do, say, Flint or even Duke in most incarnations. Last edited by Jmacq1; 02-21-2012 at 01:39 PM.. |
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Actually his first suggestion is exactly the explanation the EU has given. What was the film going to do to "support" it? Insert a subtitle saying, "Oh look, Little Leia is subconsciously using the Force to remember her mother!"
It's also supported in the novelization of Episode III (which occupies a slightly higher "canon tier" in Lucasfilm's system than most other novels) in that it's explicitly noted that Leia's eyes are open and she sees Padme, whereas Luke doesn't. Either way, it only becomes a "conflict" if you completely discount the quasi-mystical nature of the Force. Now, I don't disagree that the intention of the OT scene was shifted by the prequels (generally, the timeline seems to have been shortened by 10-20 years overall between the OT and PT), but I find the explanation given to reconcile the difference in this case to be perfectly plausible...and not exactly something that can easily be shown "on-screen." |
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