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05-19-2011, 11:35 AM | #11 |
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They have shown little interest in daddy's toys.
I asked my 6 year old why he never wanted to play with toys like daddy has and his answer....."those are for adults, they aren't made for kids". I don't let them play with daddys toys but have always encouraged them by giving them some of thier own to play with, they just hardly ever do.
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05-19-2011, 11:36 AM | #12 |
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Kids are going to want to play with rugged toys they can mash together and throw around a little. Vehicles like cars and keeps are definitely less fernickity than action figures.
Unliek most people here, I haven't actually collected G.I.Joe toys since the early '90s (have been focusing on the comics). The only recent Joes I bought were TR and SS that came with a Resolute Comic - I bought this because TR is my fave Joe and I never had him as kid. Now, can anyone tell me if these figures are typical for the new Joe toys? Because they have absolutely terrible grips compared to what i remember from the original ARAH line. The bare necessity for an action figure that will appeal to kids is (I would assume) that their hands can grip their guns well enough that the gun don't keep falling out of their hands. The fact that my TR can't even hold his own stupid gun half the time turned me off from buying any more of the new toys. And I'm just posing him in my living room. I'd have even less patience for this if I were 10 years old, or 6. Part of what makes LEGO cool is it is so functional and sturdy. The little minifigs have limited articulation, but just enough to add a sense of "life" to them. And of course they are designed for kitbashing, etc. Hasbro has been coming up with all these redesigns for action figures ever since they upgraded the elbows in 83 or whatever. The classic LEGO minifig has been designed exactly the same way for over 30 years now. |
05-19-2011, 11:43 AM | #13 |
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Articulation has nothing to do with it. When I was a kid my friends and I didn't like figures that were static (Star Wars figures). GiJoe could do a ton of stuff and that drove us towards that line.
However the biggest thing is the figures have to be fun and by Fun I mean they have to have things to interact with. Playsets, comics, cartoons, etc that all support the toy line. The biggest mistake to date with the cartoon and comic (except for Hama) is that you could not find a correlation between the imagery in the media with what is on the shelf. That has to happen. Also toy companies have painted themselves in the corner with their unsupported price increases of the last 3-4 years. If they had kept priced down they could venture into playsets but to get the Mobile Command Center today Hasbro would want to charge over $100 for it. Kids can't afford that. Even the Pit for the movie which was pretty crappy was $100. Every kid is different but GiJoe has the same amount of articulation as Star Wars and most other lines and those lines are doing well. But it needs reasonable media support. |
05-19-2011, 11:44 AM | #14 |
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I completely agree. It's one of the reasons I think gi Joe won't be around in ten years. It's possible we'll look back at this era much in the way comic readers look at the nineties. The problem in my eyes is the useless accessorizing and overloading of equipment turned these into dolls that out of a good price range. Figures use to be 2.99 and I was happy that the hats didn't come off, or the sidearms were molded on.
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05-19-2011, 11:47 AM | #15 |
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I thought that might be part of it....but I'm not sure becasue I've always said that if they liked daddy's toys I would get some for them.....they never asked LOL.
I have given them Joes and Star Wars figs anyway, and they are very lonely figures with no playmates : ( Actually they both said that the vehicles made the figures "Cooler" than what they thought. This was after they learned that all of these cool vehicles were GI JOE. My oldest got really excited about this toy from 1973 - the Big Jim Sports Camper - He really wants to play with it but it's so brittle...hmmmm - the sacrifice would be worth it if they got into "daddys toys" more : )
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05-19-2011, 11:47 AM | #16 |
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My son plays more with the o-ring then the 25ths.Like others have said,the 25ths fall apart to easy.My little girl plays with him too.I give her all the 12inch dolls.She has a Duke and Major bludd chilling with her barbies.they also have the old cartoons to watch too(me and my son have our own sets) People don't seem to like this idea...Hasbro needs to say damn the collector and get Joes back into the kids hands. |
05-19-2011, 11:52 AM | #17 |
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I agree. We had commercials,cartoons,comics,coloring books,Roleplay toys. Kids today don't have any of that..The comic isn't for kids anymore,Renagades doesn't reach enough kids(Hasbro,get your head out of your ass.You don't need your own speical station.)
My son plays more with the o-ring then the 25ths.Like others have said,the 25ths fall apart to easy.My little girl plays with him too.I give her all the 12inch dolls.She has a Duke and Major bludd chilling with her barbies.they also have the old cartoons to watch too(me and my son have our own sets) People don't seem to like this idea...Hasbro needs to say damn the collector and get Joes back into the kids hands. The problem is they have to get a new generation into GiJoe. The best way is to have a decent cartoon, where the kids can go to the store and buy what they see on t.v., then get a comic with the same look in the comic. That is one of the reasons why Clone Wars is so successful on so many different levels. It isn't rocket science but it doesn't seem to be something that Hasbro is willing to do. If it was the problem would be solved but we'll keep debating and running around saying what will work. |
05-19-2011, 11:53 AM | #18 |
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I don't have kids but I have given this issue allot of thought. I feel combat heroes would be a great way to get young kids into joes. They're simple, durable and resemble the characters enough for kids to recognize them. After a few years of playing with those, maybe they'll be more interested in playing with the more "adult" figures?
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05-19-2011, 11:59 AM | #19 |
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I'm basing my thoughts on my own two kids thoughts on GI Joe and other toys, so this will not speak for all kids, but I wanted to get your thoughts on the questions that were raised from my recent experience with my boys.
My boys (6 and 9) play with Happy Meal toys and Galactic Heroes, Cars, Trains, Lego toys mostly. They have shown little interest in daddy's toys. I asked my 6 year old why he never wanted to play with toys like daddy has and his answer....."those are for adults, they aren't made for kids". I don't let them play with daddys toys but have always encouraged them by giving them some of thier own to play with, they just hardly ever do. Recently I have been going through my vehicles and playsets and my how thier eyes lit up! They showed genuine excitement over the playsets and vehicles and actually said..."Those we would play with!" My 6 year old also said that he does NOT like much articulation in the figures becasue they are harder to play with. He loves the Galactic Heroes because he can throw them around without losing weapons and he doesn't have to try hard to get them to fit into the Star Wars vehicles. So immediately questions whirled through my mind with all of this seemingly new info from my kids. Why aren't more kids buying Joe on a broader scale: 1) Is great articulation in figures turning some kids off from Joe? 2) Is lack of Giant Playsets and Vehicles like we had in the 80's turning them off? 3) Is the "adult" demand for better articulation hurting Hasbro's sales overall because they can't get the kids involved? 4) Is the "Clearance Price" attitude of "adults" which has resulted in poor sales of large vehicles hurting Hasbro because they are having a harder time getting kids involved with Joe. 5) Is this why Mattel and other companies have not articulated thier figures better? It makes sense to me now more than ever that the GI Joe brand is (perhaps unintentionally) "for adults" and that kids are not very interested in the brand for good kid reasons. I do believe that Hasbro would LOVE to have the kids on board...but they can't really go backwards can they? Tough position. IMO those figures are cool for kids and sold decently. His Batman and Superman show signs of battles with the paint loss, but he likes them because they are tough as nails. Not like the MU figures and Joes. Don't get me wrong, I am a Big fan of the vintage O-ring joes and always will be. I like alot of the POC figures. But they are to darn flimsy. Arms, legs and heads pop off. I spent $7 bucks each on the BM and Supes and they still are industructible. But spend $7-$8 on a MU or Joe and it breaks in 5 minutes. I would like to see more action figures geared towards kids, designed better, more durable for play in hopes that the line will continue 10 years from now. |
05-19-2011, 12:03 PM | #20 |
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I think like others said, you need a cartoon/comic book as well as the figures on the shelf. My son Loves SHS and plays the heck out of those figures. Why? He loves watching the cartoon on Saturday mornings.
Like I said, POC are cool but do we really need ALL of the accessories that come with them? I can see collectors requesting more accessories from Hasbro and my son gets into Joes and asks me one day "Dad, have you seen Firefly's cell phone charger, lighter, vehicle getaway keys" etc. |
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