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04-02-2015, 09:29 AM | #21 |
I.O. SpecOps
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Please, if you are going to correct people be precise. I say this because I have been an Army Special Warfare School and Center Doctrine Writer as a Captain. The US Army Special Forces (SF) are not all inclusive to army special operations. The correct term is Army Special Operations or ARSOF. Rangers, as in the members of the 75th Ranger Regiment, are not SF. Although, A Green Beret could technically be assigned to the Reg't it is not likely to happen. SF is used for those assigned to the Special Forces Command and are primarily or the 18 or 180 series career fields. Although non-18/180s are assigned to SF in support roles, an honest one would not call themselves SF. Example, I was an SF Battalion Signal Officer - I do not say I was SF but I was assigned there and work with SF or Green Berets.
Second, please don't get your mind bogged down into the articles of clothing an artist drew for a figure. Very few characters over the decades are accurate to any degree and clearly are in a unit that does not hold anyone to a dress code. Accuracy again. Army Beret colors have changed in the last 15 years. All Army now where the black beret unless they are entitled to wear a different color. Maroon (not red) is for airborne units to include support personnel in SF units. The Ranger Reg't currently wears the tan beret. In the 80's had Beachhead been assigned at that time to the Reg't, he would have worn a black beret. However he was not and being the proper sort of guy he was/is, he wore a maroon one. Sorry, but you are incorrect. Flint is a mystery. We don't know what is enlisted background was. My assumption is that due to all of his various training, he actually works for some sort of more secretive unit that has expanded their dual training so he was helicopter pilot trained while likely already an SF Warrant. The black beret may just be a clothing choice like I mentioned above. Who knows, may he was in the 75th after enlisting? Try and explain his time for the advanced civilian degrees? Typically back in the 80's only officers got offered advanced civil schooling. Only in the last 15 years or so has select warrants and senior NCOs being given that option in the Army. I recall an SF warrant in 2001 that was completing a Masters and his study/project was a remote terminal that would allow ground forces to view drone video. I wonder if he got rich off of that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_I...(United_States)
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04-02-2015, 10:01 AM | #22 |
Hog Driver
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At some point I'd like to see some AF guys make the Joe team - Combat Rescue Officer(CRO)/Parerescue (PJ), Special Tactics Officer (STO)/Combat Controller (CCT), Special Operations Weather Team (SOWT), Air Liaison Officer (ALO)/Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC), Combat Aviation Advisors (CAA), some SERE Specialists, and even a Security Forces guy (namely a dog handler).
On the Navy side of the house, a Navy EOD Tech (as they are already the go to guys when it comes to supporting SOF), a SWCC (although they could have left Shipwreck's background alone and had him transition to one of the old Special Boat Units (SBU), and a Tactical Cytological Support (TCS) or Tactical Information Operations (TIO) guy. And possibly a Master-at-Arms (as they've been supporting SEAL operations). And maybe a guy whose spent time in one of the Riverine Squadrons. On the Marine side of things, a Marine Scout Sniper, a Fire Support Specialist (who acts as both a forward observer and JTAC) from either MARSOC or an Air and Naval Gunfire Liaison Company (ANGLICO), a Radio Recon guy, and Critical Skills Operator (CSO) from MARSOC, and while technically a Sailor, a Navy Special Amphibious Recon Corpsman (SARC). And from the Army a SIGINT guy whose from a SOT-A or a unit like ISA. A computer guy could come from ISA or a unit like the Joint Communications Integration Element (JCIE), and support guys could come from units like the Joint Communications Unit (JCU), 112 Special Operations Signal Battalion. The Army now also has a dedicated EOD unit to support Army SOF, the 28th Ordnance Company (EOD) (ABN). And then there are the Chemical Recon Detachments assigned to the various special forces groups, and tactical PSYOP (Now Military Information) teams assigned to the Ranger Regiment and SF groups. And the 75th Ranger Regiment has dedicated recon unit (which works for JSOC) in the Ranger Reconnaissance Company (RRC). |
04-02-2015, 10:25 AM | #23 |
Hog Driver
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It seems like Flint was a Rhodes scholar before enlistment. So he could be one of the older members of the team. I like to think of Flint as 180A. He got his Warrant completing the Special Forces Warrant Officer tactical training certification Course and then later went through an accelerated Flight Warrant Officer school since he was already a Warrant Officer. It's cool he is a pilot but it is his Special Forces warrant that makes him unique. Since the first incarnation of Flint had him as E-6, I think the Joes got him right after he got his warrant. Typical administration bureaucracy snafu they listed his rank incorrectly. Probably because he went through Flight school on the Joe's dime so the paperwork didn't match up since he did two warrant officer schools back to back.
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04-03-2015, 04:05 AM | #24 |
Hold My Drink.
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So I kinda forgot about my thread and believed it to be in the old mound of dirt threads. You tankers are awesome. I like the suggestions and the corrections. We come from all backgrounds and carry that here.
It would be cool to have a new wave of new members arrive this year. Maybe something like MODCore as a new breed of joes with more realistic and ambiguous jobs. Such as Night Stalker gunner, SWCC operator, SOWT(when I was in, there were officially less than 100 of these guys active), the Marine ANGLICO?, and it goes on. It's about time. Right?! |
04-03-2015, 05:51 AM | #25 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
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I would love to see Joes filling all these roles. Maybe packaged as a Two pack with two that go together.
Maybe its time for a premium format figure kind of like the Hall of Heroes. Except where a portion of the sales go to Wounded Warriors Project or Children of Fallen Soldiers Relief Fund. Even better would be real fallen and famous medal winners. Like a Carlos Hathcock, Roy Benevitez, LT. Michael Murphy, Randy Shughart, Gary Gordon or Seth Howard. Although they wouldn't all have to be Medal of Honor. Silver or Bronze Stars Navy Cross?
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04-03-2015, 09:17 AM | #26 |
Cobra Soldier
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There are still only around 100 or so active guys, and three Air National Guard units. The 10th Combat Weather Squadron go disbanded and all of the SOWT are now integrated into one of the Special Tactics Squadrons, the Combat Weather Center, or assigned to other units.
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04-03-2015, 10:11 AM | #27 |
Crimson Guard
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I just think that when people complain about repaints and rehashed designs, that new modeling based on real military specialties (with some costuming license, of course) is what G.I. Joe might need for a breath of new life.
"Adventure Team" would be a cool way to do this and work in modern designs in a more generic sense. But I think more military-based design for G.I. Joe would be greatly appreciated. |
04-03-2015, 10:12 AM | #28 |
Crimson Guard
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This really needs to happen, IMO. Maybe not these charities, necessarily. But it bugs me sometimes that more of the money in this hobby doesn't go directly to support and honor the people who put it out there for real.
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04-03-2015, 10:40 AM | #29 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
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I'm sure thet are afraid the price point won't sell,but with the right advertising it would be a win win.
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04-04-2015, 03:37 PM | #30 |
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...Army Beret colors have changed in the last 15 years. All Army now wear the black beret unless they are entitled to wear a different color. Maroon (not red) is for airborne units to include support personnel in SF units. The Ranger Reg't currently wears the tan beret...
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