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04-10-2008, 02:02 PM | #1 |
endlesssummerofthedamned
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My girlfriend got me some ARAH stuff last year for my birthday - an original HAVOC among the stuff (btw: why is Cross Country's head so freaking huge?). I've been playing around with redesigning stuff (I've posted pix of my HISS and HISS driver redos here), and I thought I'd give the HAVOC a try. So here's what I ended up with.
Now, I never really got the HAVOC, to be honest. Seemed a bit goofy to me. They had several other tracked and wheeled armored vehicles that were a lot more suitable to different environments. And the deployable hovercraft seemed better put to use as a reconnaissance craft. I decided early on that this would be more a reconnaissance vehicle - so I opted on making it a hybrid. Quieter, stealthier. Tracked vehicles are never quiet, so I did away with that and gave it wheels. Nobody can drive lying on their stomach, so I did away with that and gave it a regular cab, armored - very similar to the LMTV's the military (unwisely) purchased to replace the 2-1/2 ton trucks. The cab rolls forward to access the hybrid engine. There's a retractable blade on the front to push through heavy underbrush, or to build up some tank defilades. There's no real weapon system on this - however, there is a turret on the cab top, where a .50 cal. or MK-19 would be placed. Now, somewhere halfway through this, I turned it into a reconnaissance/recovery vehicle. The rear is attached to the driveline, but can scissor back and forth to make wider turns. You could disconnect the drivetrain and pull out the hinge pin, and run the forward cab as a single unit, although it would be prety unstable. The rear platform sides fold down for wider loads to carry, and ramps can extend out the rear to drive a vehicle up into place. There is a crane on the back of the forward cab, and can be operated from the turret or the ground. There is also a heavy duty winch, that can be used for pulling disabled vehicles up onto the rear platform. The vehicle can seat up to 3. This is a preliminary drawing. There are no outriggers, the turret is undrawn, and all of the angles are hard. I just wanted to get a basic idea down and get some feedback on it. So, here it is: http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=scan0006.jpg So, while this may technically not be a HAVOC, I think it's more useful and practical than the HAVOC may have ever been. |
04-10-2008, 02:24 PM | #2 |
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I'm all for attempting to redesign the HAVOC (it really makes zero sense the way it's done now) and it seems like you put an awful lot of thought into it, but when I look at the drawing I don't see HAVOC...it seems more like you've designed an entirely new vehicle. This is not necessarily a bad thing, mind...but I think you've gone a step beyond "redesigning" into "completely rebuilding," and I'm not sure if that's what you meant to do.
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04-10-2008, 03:12 PM | #3 |
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(I'm all for attempting to redesign the HAVOC (it really makes zero sense the way it's done now) and it seems like you put an awful lot of thought into it, but when I look at the drawing I don't see HAVOC...it seems more like you've designed an entirely new vehicle. This is not necessarily a bad thing, mind...but I think you've gone a step beyond "redesigning" into "completely rebuilding," and I'm not sure if that's what you meant to do.)
No, it isn't - but it's hard to make it look like the HAVOC and keep it attractive. I pretty much agree that it should be a different vehicle. Call it something like... the Armored Recovery Reconnaissance Obstacle Wagon (ARROW), or the Medium Armored Recovery Reconnaissance Vehicle (MARRV), or some other ridiculous acronym. |
04-10-2008, 05:21 PM | #4 |
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It's a great design but I agree it doesn't look like the Havok so a different name would be good.
Keep those ideas coming dude! Great job. |
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04-12-2008, 07:17 AM | #5 |
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Speaking of great designs, have you guys seen the new X-35B vertical lift jet that just went into production? I'd say we have a new Sky Striker...
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04-12-2008, 08:45 AM | #6 |
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I'm quite impressed with your HAVOC concept. I was thinking much the same way for such a redesign (with regards for using a normal cab, replace the upper guns with pintle-mounted machine gun, removing the rear weapons & hover sled, and the back to hold ordnance - thus it's purpose). My plain was to keep most of the original shape, and maybe make it into a half-track. Even though is a radically new design, it looks vary cool, and the acronyms are sound! What I would make, would likely end up looking more like the J-27 Ordnance Transport from Battletech. :P
I have been thinking about G.I. Joe redesigns for sometime now (mostly for a gritty, realistic a RPG/wargaming setting that I'm working on). For example, I have been looking at the L.C.V. (Low Crawl Vehicle). The only time I see anyone ride low on a bike is in bike racing, but thats not a bad thing. To me, the LCV would look better with the front wheels replaced with a larger one like the one in the rear. I won't change the prone seating, but the larger wheel at the front would make it into faster type of bike. The guns on the sides should look more like machine guns or grenade-launchers. And the rear-mounted chain-gun is redundant and should be removed or replaced by a smoke/grenade-launcher. Otherwise, their is not much else I would change about it. I got lots of other ideas too. I would like to hear more about your ideas about redesigns. |
04-12-2008, 09:50 AM | #7 |
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"I got lots of other ideas too. I would like to hear more about your ideas about redesigns."
there's really so many great designs used by military's throughout the world present, past and future, that there should never be a shortage. I was thinking of the Army's old Gamma Goat design when I did this HAVOC concept. I was a mechanic/HEMTT wrecker operator in the Army for 8 years, and I always wish the Joe line had a good recovery vehicle. That J-27 looks cool, and your LCV idea sounds like a good move. There are a lot of cool concepts out there - popular science had an issue about unmanned vehicles for military use. I'll shoot you some more ideas later. |
04-12-2008, 10:54 AM | #8 |
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I'm all for attempting to redesign the HAVOC (it really makes zero sense the way it's done now) and it seems like you put an awful lot of thought into it, but when I look at the drawing I don't see HAVOC...it seems more like you've designed an entirely new vehicle. This is not necessarily a bad thing, mind...but I think you've gone a step beyond "redesigning" into "completely rebuilding," and I'm not sure if that's what you meant to do.
Agreed. To be honest though the Joes definitely need a recovery vehicle of some sort. Give Tollbooth something else to do while he's waiting to make bridges... I think the only thing the original HAVOC could use is a new canopy made out of armour plate. I'd put a hatch on it as well. |
04-12-2008, 02:03 PM | #9 |
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I think part of what makes it really a HAVOC is the tracks. And your reason for removing them feels off to me - I'll defer to your practical experience, but I wouldn't think the motor is a heck of a lot quieter than the tracks.
The Havoc reminds me of the BV-206: http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/Engl...uct=72&more=72 Keeping it tracked might put you back on the vibe the woy wanted. Besides, tracks are much better for an off-road vehicle anyway.
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04-12-2008, 02:08 PM | #10 |
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The vehicles of G.I Joe are funny, for they try to give them details that you would find on real military vehicles (headlight covers, loose equipment, "NO STEP" labels, and so on), but with concepts that are not practical in real life, and only works for kids toys.
My knowledge of designing fictional military vehicles mostly comes from playing tabletop wargames & role-playing games (like Battletech & Heavy Gear) and watching old-school anime (like Dougram & VOTOMs). All of the above examples focus on giant piloted robots, but conventional vehicles still play a major roll in warfare and you can find lots of cool & interesting designs in them (like that J-27 transport). One thing thats most influential to my design philosophy comes from reading the advice in Heavy Gear when designing vehicles. It notes that having a tank canon mounted on a scout car or a tank that can go 200kph on broken ground may sound real cool, but you should apply a "reality check". That is, if a vehicle was that good, it should have a downside - a dangerous flaw, is rare & outrageously expensive, requires specialized training or maintenance, and so on. My design philosophy for redesigning G.I. Joe vehicles are:
I hope these ideas are helpful not just for you, but anyone reading this. |
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