|
Community Links |
Social Groups |
Pictures & Albums |
Members List |
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
|
Thread Tools |
01-26-2015, 07:47 PM | #11 |
Joe Fleet
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 74
|
[QUOTE=Everett Colby;4789791]Looks promising. Is the hangar deck usable space? If I were to do it, I'd modify the stern to be like that of an amphibious assault ship (LHD). That way, you could have a well deck for WHALEs, SHARCs, APCs, Devilfish, Wharthogs, etc. Looking forward to more progress!
Very interesting indeed. This was the very idea that I had some time ago. After my Flagg was "Decommissioned" for the first time and boxed up, but before I was actually in the Navy I had thought about this. I had often thought that the Flagg's island looked similar to that of the Iwo Jima class LPH. (Below is the very picture that I had in one of my many books of ships) How cool I thought. Helicopters, troops, easy flight deck mod, closer to true scale, great idea! I never took it farther than that though This time around I considered many different hulls, and I agree with Everett Colby. The Ultimate GiJoe ship would indeed be a Tarawa, or Wasp class LHA/LHD with a well deck for all aforementioned amphib vehicles, troops, aircraft. Plus those ships also have storage for vehicles including the M1A1 Abrams. I think in the end though, my limited experience in scratchbuilding or even a mod as heavy as that was intimidating. I usually do very well with expanding on and detailing existing frames/hulls. With that said I decided to stick with my original plan for a modified Essex (Ticonderoga) Class CV . I think I was captivated by the idea of fixed wing aircraft over amphib equip and helos. Not sure why but anyway! If Hasbro would have released a Harrier type vs the X-30, I might have gone the "gator freighter" route. Perhaps in the future , with experience gained from this, I can build myself a large deck amphib as a replacement (thinking ill be lucky to have enough room for this 12' giant). Or maybe supplement the CV with a smaller amphib like an LPD, or LSD. Those would be easy to design and build and wouldn't be so grossly out of scale where they look foolish. Although I'm changing the design all the time, she still retains many of the original USS Flagg features. It was easier to get the size right for the rigid hull by just expanding the flight deck at existing seams, hence using the existing but greatly expanded truss structure on top of raised foundations that will be built up from the hull. To answer the question regarding the main deck: Yes it will be a working hangar deck. What about all the truss sections in the way you ask ? plastruct! Lots of it! I'm just gonna engineer around it. I plan also to put a full size working elevator on the stbd deck edge aft. ( more engineering to work out). Thinking about using lego technic components for the elevator machinery more to come. Finally, the Aircraft. As we discussed and well know the F-14 never operated from the Essex Class. ( nor on the Midway, with the exception of carrier quals. That works for me though) I was close to building her as a midway class based on this fact. However still having my heart set on the Essex, I won't just put skystrikers on there without at least a plausible fictional story line to go with it. From what I've researched, it's not so much the weight of the F-4, A-6 , and in this case F-14, but the overhead clearance of the hangar and maintenance facilities. I'm not an aeronautical engineer but I gather that the greater thrust AND takeoff speed, (cats). Plus the approach/landing speed, and landing distance with regard to the max distance of the arrester cable pull-out, prohibited these ships from operating said aircraft. I've read that the Coral Sea hosted F-14s for quals but I remember something about them having to be launched without afterburners. As far as hieght and weight go. Of the many aircraft that were operated from the Essex class, The A-5 vigilante was 19' tall vs the Tomcat @ 16' and the A-3 sky warrior @ 22'. (Both had folding stabilizers) the hangar deck overhead is 17'6" on the essex if I'm not mistaken. weight ranged from 47,000- 82,000 lbs max between those two aircraft. The F-14D was 61,000 lbs loaded , 74,350 max Pardon me if some of the aircraft data isn't 100% accurate. I just looked it up quick so I could post this. US Navy photo # 970900-N-0000X-001 Last edited by SCB 125; 01-28-2015 at 09:12 AM.. Reason: Photo credit |
01-26-2015, 08:42 PM | #12 |
Joe Fleet
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 74
|
Hint hint
|
01-27-2015, 05:47 PM | #13 |
Battlegroup C.O.
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 154
|
My vision of Flagg is a conglomerate of three classes of carriers, Essex (SCB 125), Midway, and Wasp (LHD). I'm not at a point where constructing such a vessel is a possibility. That's why I'm just shooting for the island. I suppose I could come up with some prints though for now. I like where you're going with your Flagg though!
As far as overhead clearance on the hangar deck.....the F-14 and F-4 fit as is, with no issues. The A-3 would need its tail/rudder folded over, which it did. As mentioned before, I worked at the USS Lexington museum. We brought all of our aircraft (including an F-4, A-6, and F-14) down to the hangar deck via the #3 elevator for restoration and storm shelter. The only exception was the A-3. I don't think it was because they couldn't fold the tail, but more to the fact that we didn't have room with all the other aircraft and various displays. I do remember unfolding the A-6's wings for trips to the hangar deck. I like the hinted identity, by the way. |
01-29-2015, 08:51 PM | #14 |
Joe Fleet
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 74
|
Quote:
My vision of Flagg is a conglomerate of three classes of carriers, Essex (SCB 125), Midway, and Wasp (LHD). I'm not at a point where constructing such a vessel is a possibility. That's why I'm just shooting for the island. I suppose I could come up with some prints though for now. I like where you're going with your Flagg though!
As far as overhead clearance on the hangar deck.....the F-14 and F-4 fit as is, with no issues. The A-3 would need its tail/rudder folded over, which it did. As mentioned before, I worked at the USS Lexington museum. We brought all of our aircraft (including an F-4, A-6, and F-14) down to the hangar deck via the #3 elevator for restoration and storm shelter. The only exception was the A-3. I don't think it was because they couldn't fold the tail, but more to the fact that we didn't have room with all the other aircraft and various displays. I do remember unfolding the A-6's wings for trips to the hangar deck. I like the hinted identity, by the way. |
01-29-2015, 11:15 PM | #15 |
Battlegroup C.O.
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 154
|
I ran the Lex's #3 elevator several times. The hoisting cables are operated by a hydraulic hoisting engine. The hydraulic engine is a single cylinder mounted in a horizontal position with a power plunger in the cylinder. The outer end of the plunger is fitted with a power head to which a pair of sheaves are mounted. The sheaves move back and forth with it. That operates the hoisting cables to raise and lower the platform. The elevator is operated by a valve motor through a gear box actuated by electric switches on the control stand. A hand-operated valve can be used instead of motor control. The hand drive box is set up so that opening its cover disconnects the motor and mechanically connects the hand drive gears for operating the valve. When the hand box is closed, the hand wheel is disengaged and the motor is again electrically connected for operation. We normally used the hand crank valve on Lex. It would go about as fast as you could turn the wheel.
Here's a recent video of the elevator in action. T34C arriving on board The USS Lexington CV-16, Aircraft Elevator Lift - YouTube Here's a diagram. I can identify components as needed. Last edited by Everett Colby; 01-30-2015 at 12:13 AM.. |
01-30-2015, 08:36 AM | #16 |
Joe Fleet
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 74
|
Hey thanks. That will be extremely helpful in designing a working elevator. I will check out the video as soon as I can. The cylinder/sheave configuration is what I was imagining the ships actually had/have. I was picturing it to be similar in function to the ram tensioners on RAS/FAS stations on UNREP ships, only in the horizontal. I remember this well from when I worked as asst cargo engineer on the USNS supply and other MSC types . I have not been able to watch the video yet but one question is the cable(s) @ the elevator platform. In the drawing it looks like a single cable on each side presumably. Is this the case? I mentioned before , Lego Technic parts (sheaves,shafts, bushings, etc) should work well for the mechanics in designing a working Flagg elevator. I plan on using (4) original Flagg elevator platforms. Removing 1/3 section from the inside of each will provide sufficient clearance for the skystriker (wings retracted). both nose out and tail out . Rigging the aircraft for gear down and wings in , is another project . There seems to be a few ways to do it. Some I like better than others
|
01-30-2015, 08:42 AM | #17 |
Joe Fleet
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 74
|
On a side note , Any idea why I can't seem to upload more than one photo at a time per post? No matter how many file "slots" I pick , when I hit upload , only one appears at the bottom of the "manage attachments" screen. The file size doesn't seem large at all ??
Like here in the pic. No matter how many I choose , just shows that one like in this pic |
01-30-2015, 08:53 AM | #18 |
Joe Fleet
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 74
|
Snow storm provided me with many hours to get this hull built. Here I'm fitting up
the aft peak |
01-30-2015, 09:03 AM | #19 |
Crimson Guard
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Iowa
Posts: 4,440
|
Quote:
On a side note , Any idea why I can't seem to upload more than one photo at a time per post? No matter how many file "slots" I pick , when I hit upload , only one appears at the bottom of the "manage attachments" screen. The file size doesn't seem large at all ??
Like here in the pic. No matter how many I choose , just shows that one like in this pic |
01-30-2015, 11:49 AM | #20 |
I just want foam gliders.
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Tooele (two-willa), Utah
Posts: 18,727
|
Quote:
On a side note , Any idea why I can't seem to upload more than one photo at a time per post? No matter how many file "slots" I pick , when I hit upload , only one appears at the bottom of the "manage attachments" screen. The file size doesn't seem large at all ??
Like here in the pic. No matter how many I choose , just shows that one like in this pic Quote:
__________________
Problems with the Club? Click me.... How to post pics to Hisstank? Click me.... BST Feedback |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Vehicles Here is my custom FLAGG so far | Firebomber8 | G.I. Joe Customs Works In Progress | 8 | 11-12-2013 11:56 PM |
Project Talk U.S.S. Flagg Custom | DR.Sin | G.I. Joe Customs General Discussion | 2 | 08-09-2010 12:57 AM |
Another Custom USS FLAGG | dmichael | G.I. Joe Customs Finished Projects | 10 | 05-09-2009 09:03 PM |
Making a custom USS FLAGG | SgtMajor | G.I. Joe Customs Works In Progress | 5 | 02-21-2009 11:32 PM |
Custom Flagg (Cobra) | Viper934 | G.I. Joe Customs Finished Projects | 8 | 01-07-2009 05:22 PM |
|
|
Recent Off Topic Threads |
Last Movie You Watched? |
Mattel Creations tips? |
Hisstank Late Night thread... |
What song are you listening to? |
The CORPS Megathread |