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10-21-2012, 01:09 PM | #21 |
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That we do.
I do not currently have the means to utilize it myself. I was honing my skill set while these machines and processes were in development. I am probably possessed of the same mindset that inhabited the minds of fine art portrait painters when the camera debuted. Not to be argumentative, but I have not assumed anything. I am an artist; I can illustrate, paint and I am a natural sculptor. I have also used a camera. Utilization of the technology (camera-even film and developing, where nuance can be achieved in the dark room) is easier and the level of satisfaction is not the same. One is not using their hands, not getting dirty, not one with the media. If I have offended you Guppy, please accept my apology. I consider you a peer but have held this mindset since '90. |
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10-21-2012, 05:56 PM | #22 |
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just because it isn't done by manual labor doesn't make it any less a piece of art. i had to deal with that garbage all through college in architecture where old school wouldn't accept digital design as a process. digital creation takes the same creative spirit and genius as hand modeling. it's simply utilizing different skill sets to achieve similar results. it is offensive when someone sneers at digital design as somehow less of a challenge or artistic. i certainly appreciate hand built objects for the craftsmanship and talent taken to build them but i also don't discount the efforts, challenges and skills taken to bring digital design in the realm of reality either. i prefer scale model building myself as it relates to my field but digital design and production has simply taken my field to places nearly impossible to do before.
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10-21-2012, 06:23 PM | #23 |
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Well, I appreciate and respect everyone's thoughts and feelings on this developing matter. I hope you all will do the same for me, though mine is the dissenting opinion. I just hope I have communicated it in a non-offensive way, even though the opinion itself may be inherently offensive to some in and of itself. But I won't change my stripes...
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10-21-2012, 06:48 PM | #24 |
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Also, if I offended anyone, I apologize. I hold some very strong opinions, usually I just keep them to myself, but for some reason could not wherein this thread was concerned.
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10-21-2012, 07:05 PM | #25 |
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you going to offend someone no matter what you say just the nature of public internet.
i myself miss the days of drawing with lead pencils on vellum or mylar and plastic leads/inks, etc. i still do hand sketches for field changes and prefer this method vs. CAD drawings even if it means i have to double up on the work to redo it in CAD for as-builts. art like life adapts to new methods. it need not negate the past nor invalidate the future. art by it's nature is exploration and to pigeonhole those that use mediums/methods other than your own illustrates a lack of appreciation for art/artist and it's constant evolution. every generation bemoans the next though, it's the nature of aging. that at least never changes.
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10-21-2012, 07:21 PM | #26 |
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I'm not against the ideaof 3D pritning, in fact it wasn't an artistic reason that I abandoned pursuing it, but rather a techical one. The printer is nominal, base units are $500.00 or maybe a little less, and good units are a little over $1,000.00. That sounds like a lot, but given the capacity it's actually a reasonable price (this IS after all a hobby...).
My concern was that I would then have to go out and buy a newer, much more robust laptop, probably topping near $1,00.00 on top of the printer, and THEN the software, which is incredibly difficult to master. I looked into taking local night classes on the subject hoping to make this like a year-long project culminating in my buying the printer, but I could not find a college offering night courses in this sort of thing. So this little hobby could EASILY cost over $2,500.00 and one year or so of prep time before you ever produce anything. I'm not putting it down, but before you spelunk the cash for the printer, rigorously review your technical capacity both in terms of your PC's specs AND your ability to accurately produce items in 3D. Of course it CAN be done, and it's quite possible I'm making too much of this, and would be thrilled to see this technology become commonplace. I am just relating my own experiences. I'm all for both approaches, hand-made as well as digital designed. I've got one foot int he present and one in the future. I'm not afraid of new tech, just not sure how to make it work yet. |
10-21-2012, 07:38 PM | #27 |
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I'm not against the ideaof 3D pritning, in fact it wasn't an artistic reason that I abandoned pursuing it, but rather a techical one. The printer is nominal, base units are $500.00 or maybe a little less, and good units are a little over $1,000.00. That sounds like a lot, but given the capacity it's actually a reasonable price (this IS after all a hobby...).
My concern was that I would then have to go out and buy a newer, much more robust laptop, probably topping near $1,00.00 on top of the printer, and THEN the software, which is incredibly difficult to master. I looked into taking local night classes on the subject hoping to make this like a year-long project culminating in my buying the printer, but I could not find a college offering night courses in this sort of thing. So this little hobby could EASILY cost over $2,500.00 and one year or so of prep time before you ever produce anything. I'm not putting it down, but before you spelunk the cash for the printer, rigorously review your technical capacity both in terms of your PC's specs AND your ability to accurately produce items in 3D. Of course it CAN be done, and it's quite possible I'm making too much of this, and would be thrilled to see this technology become commonplace. I am just relating my own experiences. I'm all for both approaches, hand-made as well as digital designed. I've got one foot int he present and one in the future. I'm not afraid of new tech, just not sure how to make it work yet. |
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10-21-2012, 10:04 PM | #28 |
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Still, when I first learned about the concept my mind kind of blew out on the possibilities. Just... y'know.. saying...
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10-21-2012, 11:16 PM | #29 |
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It all goes and comes back, all the time! Digital recording for musicians was the only way to make a record. But some prefer to go analog and record on actual tapes (take Slash for instance).
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12-01-2012, 06:45 PM | #30 |
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Not sure if this type will work for any toy customizers, but Staples will be offering 3D printing. It's different than plastic printers, but it's encouraging that it's becoming more readily available.
Staples announces in-store 3-D printing service - CNN.com |
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