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07-17-2022, 12:03 PM | #1 |
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So we all know that after the first 65 episodes of the original cartoon, General Hawk was in charge of the Joes. But when the series originally premiered, Duke was in charge. Though in the show's second mini series, Flint clearly was established as being in command IN DUKE'S ABSENCE. I think there's something really key there.
For a large portion of the remaining opening 65 episodes, Flint was shown as the Joe that was in charge, with no mention of Duke. When both Duke and Flint were present, it was clear that Duke was in charge. But I don't think that it would be accurate to say that Duke was #1 and Flint was #2. I think it would be more accurate to say that Duke was #1 and Flint was basically #1A. Or you could say that Duke was #1A and Flint was #1B if you will. What did you think, any thoughts on the matter? |
07-17-2022, 12:08 PM | #2 |
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Doesn't Flint actually spell this out in the movie?
It goes Hawk, Duke, Flint, Beach Head? I think Flint is clearly Duke's deputy commander (or his second in command). What I find more intriguing is that Scarlett seems to essentially ignore the chain of command and is always in charge unless Duke is around, seemingly by sheer force of personality. This comes up most starkly in the episodes where Duke has been replaced by a synthoid and in the episode where that computer betrays the team and Destro sends a weird drill machine to destroy Joe HQ.
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07-17-2022, 12:52 PM | #3 |
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I know Stalker was often put in command of teams in the 80s comics, and I want to say Scarlett sometimes was as well, but I might be misremembering that. Maybe its because, I just think of Scarlett as such a senior member.
I kind of figured that if Hawk was founder (#1) of the team, then he first recruited Stalker, then Scarlett. IDK, that's just how I read this page: .
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07-17-2022, 04:39 PM | #4 |
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Yes, in Arise Serpentor Arise: Part 1. Definitely not disputing the order. I guess what I'm saying more that Flint is a clear cut #1, who happens to have Duke ahead of him. It's not a case of a: "#1 & #2". It's a case of a #1 and #1A.
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07-17-2022, 04:43 PM | #5 |
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You can call it 1 and 2. Or A and B. Or Alpha and Beta. But I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make.
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07-17-2022, 05:06 PM | #6 |
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Keep in mind the fact that Duke got captured in the first three joe miniseries.
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07-17-2022, 05:55 PM | #7 |
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As a kid I didn't start reading the comic until 1986, so the cartoon was what impacted my playing the most. After the first mini-series, I thought of Duke as leader and Scarlett as second in command. After the second mini, I thought the order went Duke, Flint, Scarlett, Lady Jaye. Then after Arise Serpentor, Arise, I followed the Hawk, Duke, Flint, Beach Head order. Then, in the episode The Most Dangerous Thing in the World, Sgt. Slaughter is shown to be between Flint and Beach Head (I think).
I read somewhere that there was supposed to be a Season 2 episode explaining where Hawk had been during Season 1 and how he was a founding member of the team (with Flagg and Colonel Sharp I wonder?)
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07-17-2022, 06:32 PM | #8 |
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As someone who started with the file cards and then graduated to the comics, it bothered the hell out of me that anyone in the cartoon listened to Duke ever. Given that Stalker was obviously Hawk’s first choice for field commander, I figured Duke would not even try to order him around.
Flint technically outranks Duke, though I read on the boards somewhere that in real life, a Warrant Officer like Flint would likely defer to someone like Duke. Can anyone who served confirm or correct me on this? |
07-17-2022, 07:39 PM | #9 |
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As someone who started with the file cards and then graduated to the comics, it bothered the hell out of me that anyone in the cartoon listened to Duke ever. Given that Stalker was obviously Hawk?s first choice for field commander, I figured Duke would not even try to order him around.
Flint technically outranks Duke, though I read on the boards somewhere that in real life, a Warrant Officer like Flint would likely defer to someone like Duke. Can anyone who served confirm or correct me on this? |
07-17-2022, 08:03 PM | #10 |
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As someone who started with the file cards and then graduated to the comics, it bothered the hell out of me that anyone in the cartoon listened to Duke ever. Given that Stalker was obviously Hawk?s first choice for field commander, I figured Duke would not even try to order him around.
Flint technically outranks Duke, though I read on the boards somewhere that in real life, a Warrant Officer like Flint would likely defer to someone like Duke. Can anyone who served confirm or correct me on this? So technically even the greenest Lieutenant or Ensign "outranks" the crustiest old Sergeant Major or Chief Petty Officer, but they are strongly encouraged to heed the advice of their senior NCOs, because they have more experience. So it's a bit of an oversimplification, but the easiest way to describe it is that the Officer has the final say, but it's often the NCO that helps them come up with the plan, determines how to handle the fine details and gives the orders to the troops to execute. So basically, in the regular Army Duke couldn't give say, Falcon a direct order, but Falcon would likely be considered an idiot by his troops and his superiors if he didn't follow his advice without a really good reason. And Hawk would likely give him a really stern talking to if Falcon tried to pull rank on Duke. Last edited by Jmacq1; 07-17-2022 at 08:06 PM.. |
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