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04-27-2009, 01:00 PM | #11 |
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yea, Im sure Duke got all sentimental in that moment when in the previous epidose he said..We're gonna kill Cobra Commander; |
04-27-2009, 01:02 PM | #12 |
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Did you see him die? Did you see scarlet and SE get on the plane? How do we know they we'rnt still on the ground? How do we know the joes drove off in the planes and it wanst previously ambushed by Cobra? No one knows so there cant be a definative. Just cause you think he's dead doesnt mean its so. Based on the ending its more probable that he survived. CC wanted out to change the direction back to Wash... If CC was dead, Duke should said CC is dead or that the pod is....disinterated. He said absent which means it was no where to be found, no trace of it...which means there coulda been an escape.
Again if that was the proposed endign then thats a slap in the face of all Joe fans. A lackkust battle and CC dies...woopie. Resolute did what it was supposed to do and thats keep people tuned in. And now peeople want more. job done. |
04-27-2009, 01:07 PM | #13 |
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Sure, if you want Resolute to be just as much of a farce as the Sunbow cartoons were, where death is concerned.
If everyone comes back, Resolute goes from "No more lasers and parachutes" to "we may not show the lasers and parachutes, but nobody important ever dies, so don't worry about it!" So much for the "more mature" G.I. Joe. I can accept the possibility that Cobra Commander escaped. But I don't think it was the writer's intent. This was designed and executed like a one-shot deal. dj7000 doesn't seem to want to accept that, so I suppose he'll have to get used to being "slapped in the face." Resolute isn't the big G.I. Joe thing this year. It's a sideshow or an opening act. Rise of Cobra is the main event. |
04-27-2009, 01:17 PM | #14 |
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whether Warren Ellis intended that or not is irrelevant. the show exists as it is finished, not how it may have been considered at various stages of its development. |
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04-27-2009, 01:25 PM | #15 |
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exactly. if he Duke knew he was dead, he wouldn't be vague about it. it was clear that without the remains of CC or the capsule, Duke wasn't declaring him dead, thus the carefully chosen "absent."
whether Warren Ellis intended that or not is irrelevant. the show exists as it is finished, not how it may have been considered at various stages of its development. |
04-27-2009, 01:27 PM | #16 |
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Cc is alive and well and planing another attack! Theres more to come folks (hopefully).
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04-27-2009, 01:28 PM | #17 |
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you may prefer that it did happen that way, but the Joe team didn't declare him dead for a reason. the only honest interpretation is maybe he is, maybe he isn't. |
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04-27-2009, 01:36 PM | #18 |
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Cobra Commander is clearly not dead, he was upset because he was planning to strike DC and his plan failed, not because he was going to die. He teleported the whole pod, point to point (with the power of M.A.S.S)
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04-27-2009, 01:43 PM | #19 |
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What do you mean so much for the "more mature" G.I. Joe? Major Bludd, Bazooka, Storm Shadow and Zartan - all dead. Sorry if I should have put spoilers there, but we're talking about the ending.
Also, err. 10 MILLION Russians, countless Cobra troops, and hey, maybe the civilian population of Springfield are all dead. In fact, I'd say this had the highest death count of any G.I. Joe story, period. In fact, it's got a higher death count per minute of show than say, Dirty Harry or Enter the Dragon! Like the Joker in Batman comics, CC isn't dead. He'll be back. Notice Baroness and Destro aren't dead either. I did also notice that the two guys who fell off of the Stratosphere thingies had parachutes on though, took me a second. Of course that actually made sense, so it didn't bother me too much. |
04-27-2009, 01:51 PM | #20 |
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It seemed pretty obvious that what happened to Cobra Commander was meant to be ambiguous, for one reason or another. Whether it was because they wanted to leave things open for a sequel or because it simply works dramatically, none of us can really say. Leaving a villain's ultimate fate open to interpretation at the end of a story is a tried-and-true narrative technique.
Personally, I took it to mean that because he was listed as "absent," that probably means he's quite alive. |
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