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View Poll Results: Who is the greatest comic book creators of all time? | |||
Jerry Siegal and Joe Shuster | 0 | 0% | |
Bill Finger and Bob Kane | 0 | 0% | |
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby | 10 | 100.00% | |
Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil | 0 | 0% | |
Chris Claremont and John Byrne | 0 | 0% | |
Alan Moore | 0 | 0% | |
Fran Miller | 0 | 0% | |
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03-10-2011, 01:57 PM | #1 |
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I've often thought who was the greatest and most influence of comic book creators. I thought that Siegal and Shuster might of been the greatest and most influence, simply because they invented the character that gave birth to the medium. Without, Superman, one can make the argument that there's probably a chance that you wouldn't have comics in the way we know them today. In some ways, you say that all heros bare resemblence to Supes, whether it's the spandex, usings the powers for good, and assuming a secret identity. All these things have their origins with Superman.
Finger and Kane, created what is arguabley the greatest of superheros and the first antihero so to speak. Even after The Bat-Man's debute, for a very long time their wasn't a character who's origin that was marred in the tradegy that created The Bat-Man, (or of that of his first side kick, Robin.) Bat-Man's greatness lies in that he is a sheer force of will. Everything he does and has trained himself to is result of his obessive desire to avenge his parents' death and prevent people from experiencing the tramua that he experienced as a child and still is coping with as an adult. The Bat-Man gave birth to characters like The Punisher, Wolverine, Lobo, and Guy Gardner. The about Siegal, Shuster, Funger, and Kane. Outside of creating the iconic characters in comics, they really didn't go anything else. Other than characters in Supes, and The Bat-Man's respective "families," they didn't create anybody else or impact the medium. The excpetion being that Siegal created the Spectre and Bill Finger created the original Green Lantern. Most vote for the greatest comic book creators of all time goes to Stan "The Man," Lee and Jack "The King," Kirby. Lee and Kirby are the comic book equivalent to The Beatles, when FF number#1 dropped and the Marvel Age was born, Lee and Kirby effectly changed the way people inside of the industry thought and perceived the way a story should go. Even though with the Silver Age started a few years before with the retcon of The Flash, characters still one diminisional. Heros were heros becasue they were good people and that's what heros did. Lee and Kirby cahnged that. There was internal strive within teams, for example Johnny didn't get along with Ben. The Hulk was a misanthrope and hated humanity. The X-Men though they used their powers to benefit mankind, they were "feared and hated," by the world they had sworn to protect. Peter Parker was a sophmore in high school, that was an introverted nerd. Initially, Peter didn't want to fight crime, he wanted to use his powers to make money as an entertainer. In one of those early Spidey stories, Peter attempted to join the FF, but changed his mind when he found out the FF was a non profit. Stan Lee added a diminsion to comic book characters that was never seen before. They weren't always happy, they didn't always get along, and as in the case of Peter Parker and The Hulk, they weren't always altruistic. Even though they had superpowers, they were people that had everyday problems. Especially, Peter Parker. To strengthen my argument for Kirby and Lee being the G.O.A.T. in the comic book realm. Not only did they create iconic characters, they CREATED A WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE!!!! It's easier to figure out the characters Leeand Kirby, DIDN'T create as oppose to the ones they did create. There isn't writer or a penciller in the industry who doesn't site Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as an influence. Jack Kirby also gave us The New Gods, (for those who don't know, that's Darkseid,) To meet Stan Lee at a con costs about $400 dollars, you are guranteed an autograph though. I want Stan Lee to sign my McFarlene Spidey poster with the following inscription: To King, always remember that with great power, there also must come great responsbility. From the co-creator of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man Stan Lee I also have this poster: On this one, I want him to put "I created damn near every character on this poster. 'Nuff Said". Stan Lee. Plus Stan Lee's autograph would look the really cool with Clarmont's, Lee's, and Texeria, ( I already had them sign it. There's also this matter. Way back in the 90's I had a chase to go to a Jack Kirby instore. I should've went simply because it was Jack Kirby. I didn't go for whatever reason. I was like "fuck it." Kirby does instores, so I'll just catch him at the next instore or Woncon. Six months, later I was looking through some Image books I had bought, then I get to "In Memory Of Jack Kirby," ad. I was "Damn, dude was just here." As fucked up as it may sound, being that Stan Lee is hella old, I want to meet him and get his autograph before he dies. |
03-10-2011, 02:00 PM | #2 |
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The medium was around for a long time before Superman. Could argue he helped launch super hero comics. But guys like Eisner are probably more influential to the medium of comic book as a whole. Lee/Kirby to MODERN super hero stories.
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03-10-2011, 02:11 PM | #3 |
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I love a good old fashioned "who's the best" comic thread. There's no right answer.
My take on it is, Siegel & Shuster and Kirby & Lee are like peanut butter and jelly. I couldn't say which is more important to my sandwich, I just know I need them both to really enjoy it. |
03-10-2011, 03:33 PM | #4 |
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For me as an "all things" Marvel life long devotee it's easily Stan Lee and Kirby. Huge fan of both men and their art. |
03-10-2011, 03:54 PM | #5 |
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Given that I love the character Darkseid(not really since grant morrison turned into a human with some of his power, wtf), so I love kirby for that, plus I like watching masters of the universe (1987) because thats about tje new gods, just renamed. But as jetfire stated, u can't pick who is the best, all mentioned added something to help mold the medium into what it is today. Trying to answer this is like trying to answer which of my eyes I need more.
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03-10-2011, 04:21 PM | #6 |
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The poll is missing Will Eisner. It's invalid without him.
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03-10-2011, 04:38 PM | #7 |
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I'm not sure if greatest is the proper term...certainly they were pioneers and did great work and launched a genre but they've had their share of stinkers as well.
I point out Stan Lee's Ravage 2099 easily one of the worst books in the 2099 line if not the worst...I mean come on a eco-anti-corperation terrorist garbage man? Hardly the stuff of legend. I'm not trying to crap on what some of these guys have done...just pointing out that everybody has some good and bad ideas...some of these guys just happened to have been the first. |
03-10-2011, 05:02 PM | #8 |
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The topic talks about "influential" and the poll is "greatest creators".
It's two different things.
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03-10-2011, 05:09 PM | #9 |
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agreed, plus eisner does need to be added and frank millers name needs correcting, lol. Go back and look at kirby's later work for topps comics, not exactly as good as his earlier stuff, for stan lee, look no further than stripperella, not a shining moment either
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03-10-2011, 05:12 PM | #10 |
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Any of them boil down to speculative or subjective debates, regardless. Except for this one: Stan Lee probably isn't going to want to write that much down at an autograph session. If you set yourself up to be satisfied with "Excelsior! - Stan Lee", at least you'll be happily walking away with a smile. |
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