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05-02-2010, 08:28 PM | #21 |
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the comic doesn't have to be realistic because its a comic. However a live action movie should be more realistic. At least that's my opinion.
I like the IDW series so far. The cobra book is great. I've ignored the origins and the Joe book has been decent so far. I love the Marvel series I still like the sunbow series and loved it as a kid. Resolute was/is awesome imo. I think roc is trash. |
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05-02-2010, 08:37 PM | #22 |
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The characterization of the Broken Star Liberation Army is just a political cheap shot by Hama and totally unnecessary. They are defeated by the American Military in less than 5 minutes, so why would they need Cobra to secure the country (the intended next step) and why Cobra and not GI Joe?
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Mindbender's upgrades to Venom's Brainwave scanner change what the device did in the first place, but didn't remove a "Trogan Horse" Venom implanted in it? I'm sorry, that makes absolutely no sense.
He then needs Destro's help to remove the TH. They work together! Venom was a back stabber in the first place, they never thought to check the programming out when they changed what it was doing in the first place?! Probably not as many as a machine that can copypasta human memory. Even taking Doctor Venom's untrustworthiness into account, that's a hell of a lot of work to go through unless the machine is showing obvious signs of shenanigans (which it's only now doing). I don't think CC or Mindbender would want too many people poking around in the BWS's code, lest even the possibility someone else might be able to recreate it. That device is potentially more dangerous than all the nano-mites in the world. Quote:
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Honestly, people complain about something being simplified and then need everything explained. Not everything needs to be f***ing Alan Moore. What happened to comics just being fun? Man, people are just looking for excuses to hate on crap these days. :P |
05-02-2010, 08:43 PM | #23 |
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05-02-2010, 09:00 PM | #24 |
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I'm not sure I get what you mean by the "political cheap shot". CC's plan is to destabilize the peoples' confidence in the government. No matter how fast they took them back, the fact is that it still makes the administration look like chumps if major American landmarks can be easily taken by homegrown nuts.
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You know how many millions of lines of code a copy of Windows 7 has?
Probably not as many as a machine that can copypasta human memory. Even taking Doctor Venom's untrustworthiness into account, that's a hell of a lot of work to go through unless the machine is showing obvious signs of shenanigans (which it's only now doing). I don't think CC or Mindbender would want too many people poking around in the BWS's code, lest even the possibility someone else might be able to recreate it. That device is potentially more dangerous than all the nano-mites in the world. Quote:
It's kinda hard not to know about it when CC is bragging about it right in front of them. There's knowing about it, and then being in a position to do anything about it. They might have some mental block that keeps them from openly resisting CC, or else he doesn't know just how much of they've recovered.
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05-02-2010, 09:23 PM | #25 |
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WARNING! The following is not intended to bash Hama, just something I don't get...
I'm all for brainless entertainment, but I don't get the 1-2 punch of criticizing RoC and then praising Hama's Marvel run. I used to think it was because people were praising their perceptions of what his Marvel run was from memory and hadn't actual gone back and read the stuff. But now with this overwhelming praise for #155.5 I've gotta ask the question; did we read the same book? Do we not want to admit the truth? I mean, IDW's core Joe book, and certainly their Cobra book is more realistic/ adult/ mature story telling than this. Help me out here, what's so great about #155.5 if RoC was so bad, or was it just that RoC wasn't Hama?
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We may not agree on much, but on this we can rely. lol
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05-02-2010, 09:29 PM | #27 |
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Exactly where I was going. Now mind you, Hama is a great writer of corny silly pseudo-military action, and the team behind RoC ...well I'll be nice and just say they weren't. However, they were both trying to accomplish the same thing, enrapture and entertain kids. I can appreciate that for what it is. This book is classic Hama, but I'm not a kid anymore. The whole thing is just so silly. I'm glad people can dig it, I just think people are making more out of this book, and the original run then there really was. I loved Joe when i was a kid, I grew up, and so did my tastes.
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05-02-2010, 09:38 PM | #28 |
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I wouldn't say it's "STUPID", though there are certainly elements in there that push the envelope. It's immature and simplistic. Which to an adult comes off as silly, and ridiculous. RoC wasn't necessarily "STUPID" either, and if I used that, then I shouldn't have been so harsh. These are just examples of two properties that were trying to achieve the same thing, hook kids, one was done very well, one not quite as much, but both were still successful. The problem is, or atleast my problem is, that I'm now an adult and I want my Joes written in a way that can be entertaining to me. Hama is still writing the same old Joe, so it's silly and ridiculous to me, as an adult.
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05-02-2010, 09:47 PM | #29 |
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I thought you said CC was paranoid. And you're admitting Venom was untrustworthy right? And it was Mindbender that added the copy/ paste human memory part, Venom's BWS only converted brain waves into images, no? It's not a quantum leap when you take into account all of that to expect them to check for a "Trogan Horse", correct?
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Even if you did, what the hell is wrong on its face about having an issue deal exclusively with the villains of the story? As a general rule the bad guys are usually more interesting. More than once I've seen a long-running series have an episode that totally ignore the main cast, and often to great effect. This is also the main reason why I think you're just looking for an excuses to poke hole in an otherwise solid offering. |
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I wouldn't say it's "STUPID", though there are certainly elements in there that push the envelope. It's immature and simplistic. Which to an adult comes off as silly, and ridiculous. RoC wasn't necessarily "STUPID" either, and if I used that, then I shouldn't have been so harsh. These are just examples of two properties that were trying to achieve the same thing, hook kids, one was done very well, one not quite as much, but both were still successful. The problem is, or atleast my problem is, that I'm now an adult and I want my Joes written in a way that can be entertaining to me. Hama is still writing the same old Joe, so it's silly and ridiculous to me, as an adult.
I just don't see much of a difference between the 2. If someone were to say; I didn't like RoC because Hama's work came first and RoC contradicted it, then that I could understand. That's legitimate. But in terms of realism, story telling, maturity, execution, they were equal IMO. Before I chalked it up to selective memory. With this new book, I'm honestly surprised to see such glowing reviews. Perhaps it's from the same people who liked RoC though... |
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