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View Poll Results: Justivce League vs. Masters of Evil. | |||
Justice League wins, no problem | 7 | 63.64% | |
Masters of evil wins, no problem | 3 | 27.27% | |
Draw | 1 | 9.09% | |
don't care | 0 | 0% | |
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03-09-2010, 11:59 AM | #1 |
Crimson Guard
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I've always felt that Marvel has the better, stronger villains...
The Line Ups: Masters of evil: 1. Baron Zemo 2. Absorbing Man 3. Goliath 4. Grey Gargoyle 5. Count Nefaria 6. Dr. Octopus 7. Beetle 8. Rhino 9. Titania 10. Ultron 11. Wrecker 12. Thunder Ball 13. Pile Driver 14. Sand Man 15. Moon Stone 16. Black Lash 17. Blizzard 18. Tiger Shark 19. Shocker 20. Radioactive Man Justice League: 1. Super Man 2. Green Lantern 3. Wonder Woman 4. Super Woman 5. Shazam 6. Aquaman 7. Batman 8. Hawkman 9. Flash 10. Martian Manhunter
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03-09-2010, 12:13 PM | #2 |
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Well, to start with, Count Nefaria has never been a member of the Masters of Evil, so that's a little bit of deck-stacking there.
But honestly, the Masters are basically down to one Superman-class superhuman (Count Nefaria...if you include him) vs. 5 Superman+ Metahumans (Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter). Even if you spot Radioactive Man the ability to emit Kryptonite Radiation (doubtful since he's never been exposed to Kryptonite to "know the frequency") he couldn't take out Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel or Martian Manhunter. Plus, no one in the Masters' lineup has much of any defense against Martian Manhunter's massive telepathic powers except Ultron. The Masters are likely to find say, the entire Wrecking Crew + Absorbing Man and Titania fighting against them rather than with them. |
03-09-2010, 12:17 PM | #3 |
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What if you throw in civilians used to distract the League... I would still like to see this fight in animation. I know it will never happen...
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03-09-2010, 12:18 PM | #4 |
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Flash can have them all cleared out of the battlefield before the Masters even know what happened.
But if you're going to just keep adding stipulations until you find one where the Masters win (which isn't a huge stretch, it just would take a good bit of work, the right members, and luck), then there isn't much point to the discussion. Last edited by Jmacq1; 03-09-2010 at 12:27 PM.. |
03-09-2010, 12:22 PM | #5 |
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I see your point, but wouldn't that be a great battle?
It reminds me of the experts who debate sports matchups. you can look at records, and statistics all day long, but you still have to play the game to really see what happens... Thats why I would love to see this battle in comics or animation. Last edited by IronMan76; 03-09-2010 at 12:26 PM.. |
03-09-2010, 12:32 PM | #6 |
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I don't necessarily agree that Marvel has the more powerful villains. More powerful in relation to the heroes they usually fight maybe, but with exceptions not necessarily the most powerful overall.
See, with DC the good guys are often fighting bad guys that are roughly equal to them, which makes them very powerful (because DC heroes tend to be more powerful) but not vastly superior to the heroes they oppose. Or the heroes are fighting villains that find other ways to get at them than direct confrontation (See: Lex Luthor and Superman). In Marvel's case, the heroes are often fighting villains that are much more powerful than they are, and Marvel's heroes in general tend to be less powerful than DC's. Of course there are exceptions to both rules, but that seems to be the main contributor to why Marvel's villains seem more powerful than DC's. Not that they actually have more power, but because they're presented as a much greater threat to the heroes. |
03-11-2010, 10:41 AM | #7 |
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Look.. you have to look and the type of strength, power, and ability of the teams... The Justice League has the disadvantage on this battle field.. Absorbing Man, Goliath, Rhino, Titania, Wrecker, and Ultron alone would give them a run for their money.
you have to take into account the resources that some of these guys have at their disposal. I actually think the Master might win this one. |
03-11-2010, 10:53 AM | #8 |
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If we're going to start talking "resources" then the same goes for the JLA, in which case the Masters soon find themselves fighting the entire Super, Bat, Wonder, and Marvel Families and at least four Green Lanterns, if not a huge chunk of the Green Lantern Corps. Let's not also forget the teamwork aspect. Virtually any iteration of the League is going to work together better than any villain team, because by and large villains don't play nicely together. Especially when you put say, Ultron, who wants to destroy all organic life, onto a team with a bunch of organic people. So yeah, pretty much no matter how you slice it unless you spot the Masters huge advantages, the Masters are hosed. Last edited by Jmacq1; 03-11-2010 at 10:55 AM.. |
03-11-2010, 02:29 PM | #9 |
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I don't know
The wrecking crew has fought Thor to near standstill by themselves. Granted absorbing man isn't very smart, but his power is a great equalizer. What if he absorbed Martian Manhunter's abilities? I also gave the Masters of evil a 2 to 1 advantage in numbers. True I put a lot of heavy wieghts on the JLA (superman/Woman, Shazam & Wonder Woman) But the masters of evil have alot of heavy wieghts too. Ultron, Wrecking Crew, Titania, Goliath & Count Nefaria are extremely physicaly strong... I'm sure Radioactive man would pose a serious problem to Batman, Aquaman & the Flash... And then there is Tiger shark who has proven a fair match for Namor in the past... I know we could debate this all day long, but isn't that kinda the point? If you are a fan of super heroes, then you love to have unusual battles to think about... Tankers are teh best JOE fans! Last edited by IronMan76; 03-11-2010 at 02:33 PM.. |
03-11-2010, 03:04 PM | #10 |
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Granted absorbing man isn't very smart, but his power is a great equalizer. What if he absorbed Martian Manhunter's abilities?
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I also gave the Masters of evil a 2 to 1 advantage in numbers.
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True I put a lot of heavy wieghts on the JLA (superman/Woman, Shazam & Wonder Woman) But the masters of evil have alot of heavy wieghts too. Ultron, Wrecking Crew, Titania, Goliath & Count Nefaria are extremely physicaly strong...
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I'm sure Radioactive man would pose a serious problem to Batman, Aquaman & the Flash... And then there is Tiger shark who has proven a fair match for Namor in the past...
You're welcome to differ in your opinions. I just feel like if you try to look at things objectively this Masters team is not very well-suited to taking down the JLA without a whole lot of planning and preparation beforehand. Then it basically becomes a typical comic story (Bad guys show up, kick good guys' butts, Good guys come back and kick Bad Guys' butts. Rinse and repeat ad-infinitum). |
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