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03-20-2009, 04:31 PM | #1 |
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Ok, so my SS vs FF CP comes this morning..better late then never. Thought the figures were great, then head into the bathroom for a quick read..I know the comics in the comic packs are just that "comic pack" comics, so unless theyre a classic, I dont take em too seriously, but still its nice to see Larry Hama at the helm so I read and keep em.
Maybe its a mix of an incomplete Joe comic collection, old age and the fact that my brain often floats on gin and tonic, but I thought Storm Shadow NEVER used a gun? I mean not since 'Nam era wit Stalker and SE..I thought the lore was strictly Ninjutsu/martial arts/edged weapons/silent tactics.....when he faulted Firefly for using velcro because it makes too much noise I was like wtf? Your using a GUN! Just caught me off guard..... Next..Again go easy on me, been out of the loop a little bit but I thought it was Zartan who killed Storm Shadows uncle..who correct me if I'm wrong, but is and always was the Hard Master, correct? Also where does the Soft Master fall into all of this? And what is the connection between SS and Firefly's sister? Just that he happened to find her, she was ill and he put her up in France? So I guess there was major progression for the Firefly charecter since the marvel years...he is some sort of Ninja as well? Is he of Asian descent? I had no idea there was such a direct storyline to the 2 charecters ...unless this is just some CP trickery. Thanks to anyone who can help out..if theres anything that you can recomend TPB or back issue please let me know, ty again! |
03-20-2009, 04:41 PM | #2 |
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Ff was there when hard master died. It was either him or zartan that was the faceless master. Either way it was zartan that killed him but ff was there and later became the leader of the red ninja clan of arashikage deceant. Soft master , silent master (se) , faceless master all were of the same time frame in the clan.
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03-20-2009, 04:43 PM | #3 |
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Firefly was the Faceless Master. He was originally hired by CC to kill Snake-Eyes, but couldn't/wouldn't do it, so Zartan was brought in.
It's assumed FF is Cambodian. He was trained by the Koga Ninja Clan. That comic is the only mention EVER of Firefly's sister. So yeah, just a convienant plot device. But that would indicate that SS knows Firefly's real name, and thru SS so does the Joe team.
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03-20-2009, 04:53 PM | #4 |
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Storm Shadow had a sniper rifle in Marvel's GI Joe #24.
Lots of info on Firefly at MyUselessKnowledge. Did you know, like Zartan, Firefly was also an assistant to Prof. Onihashi, the Arashikage swordsmith? So not only was he a Koga ninja, he could make his own swords too. The Soft Master was also Storm Shadow's uncle. |
03-20-2009, 05:18 PM | #5 |
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Firefly was also present when the Soft Master was killed; outside Springfield in issue 43.
Firefly didn't kill Softie, though. It was actually Scrap-Iron and his missile launcher thingie. Firefly was just conveniently present.
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03-20-2009, 05:20 PM | #6 |
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Where was it ever shown that Firefly was also an assisstant to Onihashi?
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03-20-2009, 08:31 PM | #7 |
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Zartan had 2nd thoughts about killing Snake Eyes, but was blackmailed into it. When Onihashi realized all of this later on, he committed seppaku.
Ninjas use everything and anything at hand, even weapons such as swords as tools. Though Storm Shadow isn't typically seen wielding a gun or grenades, he does know how to use them from being in the army, and he is a ninja so he'd use anything at hand to give him the advantage. Historically there were some ninjas who did use guns as well. |
03-20-2009, 11:01 PM | #8 |
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Originally Posted by Troynos
Where was it ever shown that Firefly was also an assisstant to Onihashi?
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Originally Posted by chuck x goren
Firefly was also present when the Soft Master was killed; outside Springfield in issue 43.
Firefly didn't kill Softie, though. It was actually Scrap-Iron and his missile launcher thingie. Firefly was just conveniently present. Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu
Ninjas use everything and anything at hand, even weapons such as swords as tools. Though Storm Shadow isn't typically seen wielding a gun or grenades, he does know how to use them from being in the army, and he is a ninja so he'd use anything at hand to give him the advantage. Historically there were some ninjas who did use guns as well.
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03-20-2009, 11:15 PM | #9 |
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Zartan was "pressured" into killing SNAKE-EYES, but caught the Hard Master instead. Firefly infiltrated the Arashikage (as the Faceless Master)but feared he could not get close enough without arousing suspicion and failing the mission knowing he was no match for good ole SNAKE-EYES, so he persuaded Cobra Commander to recruit Zartan.
The newer version of the story was that during a training session, the Hard Master was mimicking SE's heart rhythm in order to open SE's senses to that aspect of locating and concentrating on the enemy at hand. The scope locked onto what it thought was SE's heartbeat pattern and shot...killing the Hard Master. Last edited by QBERT; 03-20-2009 at 11:20 PM.. |
03-20-2009, 11:21 PM | #10 |
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hhhhmmm.....I always thought that the assisstant in the picture was Zartan. I don't think it was meant that Firefly was also an assisstant. The timelines don't work out so well. Zartan was camped outside Onishishi (sp?) door for how long, it was months right?
So Firefly was an assisstant, then became the Faceless Master, and the sword master was without an apprentice, then Zartan showed up? All that in the span of a year or two?
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