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02-10-2012, 01:40 PM | #11 |
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I saw the 15th anniversary figures from DC Direct years back and loved them. I was mildly heartbroken when they decided not to make them. I hope those molds survived.
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02-10-2012, 06:49 PM | #12 |
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I don't care what is or is not endorsed, just give me good stories!!!
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02-10-2012, 07:04 PM | #13 |
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02-18-2012, 05:51 PM | #14 |
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DC is flooding the comics market, this reminds me of Marvel 94-96, shortly before they went bankrupt.
A flood of new titles, it cant work, because the comic market isnt growing. And they dont know what to do with classic characters. Blackhawk, Easy Company, the MLJ Heroes, one failure after another. A single Watchmen prequel by Alan Moore would be fine, but dozens of prequels by average minus writers and artists is unnecessary. |
02-18-2012, 10:34 PM | #15 |
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DC is flooding the comics market, this reminds me of Marvel 94-96, shortly before they went bankrupt.
A flood of new titles, it cant work, because the comic market isnt growing. And they dont know what to do with classic characters. Blackhawk, Easy Company, the MLJ Heroes, one failure after another. A single Watchmen prequel by Alan Moore would be fine, but dozens of prequels by average minus writers and artists is unnecessary. It does seem like a desperate move by DC. I never liked these company wide re-set the universe events. What I like about great stories is there is a beginning, a middle, and an end. That's Watchmen. It stands on its own. Before Watchmen is a bunch of loosely tied stories by tribute writer/artists. That's 34 issues! Even the original was a concise 12 issues. Before Watchmen taken as a whole amounts to a desperate cash grab. It's business afterall. Creatively it doesn't add up. Individual stories weakens the original team concept and complex storytelling of the original. As for the market not growing, I often wondered if there is a future for printed comics. I'll miss it. Digital is the future and also its demise. Let's face reality. Going fully digital will kill the medium. Geeks and nerds pioneered piracy. We're part of the problem. No one pays for content. I can see a future where Marvel/DC are just licensing companies. The digital comic is sold at cost or at break even. With the quality of storytelling nosediving because there's simply no money to be made in comics books. Why make books when you can make millions in licensing. |
02-18-2012, 10:55 PM | #16 |
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This project only degraded comics as a whole. There is a reason why they never leave the literary ghetto. Nothing in a superhero comic ever mattered because it can and will be changed on a whim to make a few more dollars.
The few comics which are taken seriously are those that comic companies haven't messed with. Think about how ridiculous a Maus or Blankets prequel sounds, let alone war and peace. Also has a prequel ever added anything to a story? I can't think of one.
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02-19-2012, 06:06 AM | #17 |
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Its different with newspapers, because almost nobody reads the whole newspaper and is satiesfied with news on the net.
And the newspaper is already "old" when you buy it. Maybe some new readers try comics as ebooks, also some computer/video series will have a larger digital comic following, like Sonic oder Mega Man, but other comics are still read on paper, or ? Yes, the comic market is in a crisis, quite a lot of series havent been cancelled yet, only because of strong sales in the export markets. ( Its also amazing how different the markets are. Characters very popular in some country are almost unknown in another. ) I think there is a future for the comic market, but especially DC made fatal errors in the last years. The price raise from $ 2.99 to $ 3.99, for normal comic books, was a fatal error. It came at a time when the $ was climbing and the Euro falling, so it was an even higher price raise for european collectors. The same with Archie, raising from $ 2.25 to $ 3. Another problem is the content. The last really innovative series from Marvel was - in my opinion - the Red Skull limited series. Too much spiderman and mutant comics. And look at the low sales figures for Transformers and even G.I.JOE. The new series had incredible high sales at the start, but with every new spin off series the sales went down. ( You can duplicate and triple the published comic books, but usually not your spending money ! ) Marvel cancelled Transformers in 1991, because they only sold 75.000 copies. As Simon Furman wrote, " today almost every publisher can only dream of these sales figures ". I think you need a ongoing series in a price range of $ 2.25 - 3 at maximum. And maybe two ongoing series higher priced, or a graphic novel now and then. But turning out a flood of generic product is contraproductive. Last edited by Visionaer; 02-19-2012 at 06:08 AM.. |
02-19-2012, 03:51 PM | #18 |
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Visionaer, interesting thoughts.
Why hasn't Marvel/DC gone with the itunes model? Piracy aside, it solves the distribution model worldwide. Costs should come down like the $1 songs on itunes. It would allow publishers to take bigger creative risks beyond superheroes since the cost to publish is gone and you have worldwide reach through the internet. If a series fails, the loss is minimized. Printing on paper is expensive and foolhardy. Successful series can be given the hardcover treatment for its followers. The upside of going totally digital outweighs these costly re-vamp the universe events every few years. |
02-19-2012, 03:59 PM | #19 |
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BTW, DC is in no way flooding the market with titles.
They had 52 (or so) titles pre-reboot and they have that many now. They are aright around the amount they had. That's not the issue. Digital is doing VERY well. And it has for some time. Alot of books are available on iTuntes. The problem is that the publishers approach digital like they do the direct market (which in reality is responsible for the downfall of comics). Comixology and other platforms are what is preventing digital comics from taking off (that and price). They need to make a digital issue available on all platforms, not limit it. The price is an issue, and will be for a long time, because they cannot lower the price on digital without putting the print out of business. Digital available for $1 a month? No one would be buying print issues anymore. There goes the market.
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02-19-2012, 04:01 PM | #20 |
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DC has been the only one that has done a "revamp the universe". No one else has.
And it wasn't costly. In fact, it made them a ton of money. The sales in the first four months were very high for today's market (which is no where near what the market in the 90s was and that has to be taken into account. Transformers 75,000 copies back in the 90s is not a direct translation of 75k copies today, it would be more like 3k copies today). The sales have returned to the pre-relaunch numbers, so it caused a significant bump for awhile, which obviously helped DC's overall sales.
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