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[genoneguy]

There is a member of Hisstank.com who goes by the handle 8118 who recently screwed me over. He sold me six MOC G.I.Joe figures that he advertised at this very website. He assured me that all six carded figures were in C-9+ condition or better. When I received the figures (more than a month after I paid) all but one of the carded figures was in C-6 to C-7 condition. When I inquired about his extreme overgradeing, he basically told me "tough luck". This was a very horrible experience and I do not recommend that anyone do business with this individual.

[8118]

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Originally Posted by genoneguy

There is a member of Hisstank.com who goes by the handle 8118 who recently screwed me over. He sold me six MOC G.I.Joe figures that he advertised at this very website. He assured me that all six carded figures were in C-9+ condition or better. When I received the figures (more than a month after I paid) all but one of the carded figures was in C-6 to C-7 condition. When I inquired about his extreme overgradeing, he basically told me "tough luck". This was a very horrible experience and I do not recommend that anyone do business with this individual.

Joel, as I said before, I am sorry that you were disappointed, but for some reason you keep missing the details of the transaction.

1. The items were never advertised as c9+. I said they were c9, implying out of a scale of 10 they were a 9, meaning they were in excellent but not perfect condition. That is the way a subjective grading system works. The items were not perfect but they were very good and deserved a grade of c9.

2. I told ahead of time that I would not have access to the items immediately. That is why I gave you the option of waiting until I had access to the items before paying. But you still chose to pay immediately.

Quoting from my email to you, I said the following:
_ _ _ _ _ _
"The soonest I would have access to the items
is approximately 2 weeks from today (around the
19-21st of the month). At that time I could take
additional pictures.

Let me know if you would like to wait for pictures or can mail the payment immediately."
_ _ _ _ _ _

You chose to not wait for pictures and instead pay immediately.

3. When I gained access to the figures approximately 3 weeks later I emailed you and said one of the items was not c9. I offered you the option of a full refund for that figure or a $5 refund AND the figure. You chose the $5 refund and the figure.

In summary:

I described the items as c9, not c9+. I never said the items would ship immediately to you. Instead, what I said was that I would not have access to the items for at least 2 weeks and that if you were concerned about the grade I could take pictures for you. But you decided to simply mail the payment immediately.

After you had paid and I gained access to the figures approximately 3 weeks later I noticed I had made a minor mistake. The moc Rampart was not c9, so I offered you a full refund for the figure or partial refund of $5 AND the figure. You chose the $5 and the figure.

I laid out everything for you crystal clear in this transaction. You chose to mail the payment immediately, even though I wouldn't be able to ship for awhile. You also chose to not wait for pictures of the items. Finally, you also chose a partial refund on the one item that was not c9 instead of the full refund I offered you.

Again, I am sorry that you are disappointed, but I don't believe you have any legitimate complaints at this point.

[genoneguy]

All but one of the six carded figures you sold me were between C-6 and C-7 in regards to condition. They were nowhere near C-9 like you claim. I don't know how to make that fact anymore clear. For crying out loud, I have been collecting vintage toys for nearly 23 years, I think I know the difference between a carded G.I.Joe figure in C-9 condition and the garbage you sold me.

[genoneguy]

I guess I was not clear enough. THAT GARBAGE YOU SOLD ME WAS IN C-6 TO C-7 CONDITION, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!! STOP WITH THE WHOLE C-9 CRAP!!!!!! I have been collecting 3 3/4 inch G.I.Joe's and Generation One Transformers since 1985 and I am extremely familiar with grading vintage toys. The flaws on the carded figures you sent me were too numerous to list. I am through arguing with you over this matter. To others who may be reading this post, you are well advised to steer clear from doing any business with this individual. He clearly does not have any clue as to how to accurately grade toys. I cannot stress this enough, DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH HISSTANK.COM MEMBER 8118!!!!! Extreme overgrading is something he does well. I am now washing my hands of the matter and walking away.

[OUTBACK]

that is a huge problem when it comes to collecting.

people base their bid/offer based on the condition of the said item. people see C9, they expect almost perfect stuff.

i don't know what they looked like, but personally i know the difference between a C9 card/blister and a C6.

i think a lot of eBay sellers got over for years with that tactic. sort like "condition is in the eye of the beholder" type mentality.

kinda the reason why i always hate buying anything unless it's in my hands where i can examine the entire piece myself.

my $.02

[8118]

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Originally Posted by OUTBACK

that is a huge problem when it comes to collecting.

people base their bid/offer based on the condition of the said item. people see C9, they expect almost perfect stuff.

i don't know what they looked like, but personally i know the difference between a C9 card/blister and a C6.

i think a lot of eBay sellers got over for years with that tactic. sort like "condition is in the eye of the beholder" type mentality.

kinda the reason why i always hate buying anything unless it's in my hands where i can examine the entire piece myself.

my $.02

c9 means very good but not perfect. For example, the Deejay and Stretcher I sold him were c9 because they had no creases, rips or bubble damage. However, they did have minor scuffs around the hanger, which downgraded them from perfect to c9.

I think the collecting community can agree c9 means very good but not perfect. Also bear in mind that genoneguy was given the opporunity to wait to see closeup pictures of the items, but he declined and chose to mail payment rather than wait.

I'm afraid genoneguy is simply a buyer who not only always expects perfect items but isn't willing to even take the time or put forth the patience to wait for pictures of what he is buying.

[tile_mcgillus]

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Originally Posted by 8118

c9 means very good but not perfect. For example, the Deejay and Stretcher I sold him were c9 because they had no creases, rips or bubble damage. However, they did have minor scuffs around the hanger, which downgraded them from perfect to c9.

I think the collecting community can agree c9 means very good but not perfect. Also bear in mind that genoneguy was given the opporunity to wait to see closeup pictures of the items, but he declined and chose to mail payment rather than wait.

I'm afraid genoneguy is simply a buyer who not only always expects perfect items but isn't willing to even take the time or put forth the patience to wait for pictures of what he is buying.

Not to jump in the middle here. But there is a definative grading scale, especially when you say C9. If you have used the term 90% or 9/10 you could argue subjectivity. You really could. You are not quoting a well defined scale used as an industry standard like when you say C9. Here is the scale:



POOR---C1orC2
GOOD---C3orC4
VERY GOOD---C5orC6
EXCELLENT---C7or C8
NEAR MINT---C8.1toC9.9
MINT---C10


POOR--- A poor condition item will have any combination of the following wrong. Tears or rips in the card , proofs of purchase cut out or missing and heavy edge wear. Corners will be well rounded and soft. Also major creases may exist across the card. The bubble may be dented or partially torn away from the card and or cut. At this point the toy in the bubble could be worth more loose than in this package.

GOOD--- This is a step up from Poor but still is in bad shape. The card may contain small tears and heavy edge wear. Some creasing will still be evident and the corners will still be soft. The bubble may also contain dents dings or scratches.

VERY GOOD--- A very good item will show marked improvement from good. A Very Good card should show no tears but may have some creasing still and edge wear will still be evident. The bubble may still show some small dings but no major dents should be present.

EXCELLENT--- As we move closer to mint condition grading becomes more subtle. Excellent condition will find no tears to the card and edge wear will be at a minimum. The bubble will be completely in tact , however dings or scratches may occur around the bottom of the bubble. Only slight creasing caused by the gluing of the bubble process should be evident.

NEAR MINT--- Near mint , probably the most common grade. The only wear you should find on a near mint piece would be normal wear during shipment. The card will be clean with on tears, scratches or creasing. The corners will be excellent showing no wear, and edge wear will be almost non-existant . The bubble will be completely in tact with no scratches.

MINT--- The top of the line. The mint item will be clean , Void of any nicks or scratches. Edges will be clean and crisp showing no signs of wear at all. The bubble again will have no nick s or scratches and be well centered. The only creasing that may
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You yourself said C9 is very good but not perfect...very good is a term used to describe C6 condition.

I think the solution lies in 8118 adhering to the scale if he wants to trade. And Geno getting better documentation (i.e. pictures) before making a deal...especially if you want C9 cards.

[8118]

The term "very good" was never used over the course of the transaction. It was used in these postings to describe, subjectively, the items. The way I was using the term "very good" in these posts (not the transaction) did not adhere to any grading scale.

The items genoneguy purchased (with the exception of the Rampart, which was refunded) had no creases, bubble damage, tears or major scuffs/general wear. They were graded as c9 as a result of MINOR imperfections, such as scuffs around the hanger hole.

I have asked genoneguy if there was any other problem with the items. He has not responded.

I am sorry genoneguy did not wait to see pictures before paying, as this would have avoided any potential discrepancies between my c9 vs his c9. He had that option but chose otherwise. That was his mistake, but certainly not my responsibility.

[tile_mcgillus]

You say major scuffs, implying there were minor scuffs...hmmm

Scuffs are scratches. C9 has no scratches as stated in the clear guidelines.

Nonetheless, the best way to do business is to offer him a FULL refund for the ENTIRE TRANSACTION except for return shipping. This is usually used on Ebay and should be common courtesy between JOE fanatics. We shouldn't be screwing our friends over...if their unhappy, you should be too and rectify the situation.

It is obvious your going to argue til your blue in the face that you did nothing wrong...soooo

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