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01-11-2022, 02:24 AM
CADPAT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bujo
I'd say that's more an example art imitating life.
I'd say that's a lazy defense of bad writing.
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Originally Posted by
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Human kind has greatly benefited from numerous atrocities carried out at various scales, most seemingly coming from medical treatment development.
And wars have been lost (or at least lost more quickly) by one side throwing valuable time and resources at the development of dubious superweapon projects that starve conventional forces of much-needed materiel (remember, each suit of MLOJNIR armour supposedly costs as much as an entire UNSC space-navy warship).
Ultimately, it's only one Spartan-II, John-117, who really matters in the overall war against the Covenant, which goes back to the writing issue:
Halo
is, narratively, a very awkward spot-weld between pseudo-hard(ish) mil-sci-fi and a bunch of heroic fantasy "chosen one" tropes (hence all the bullshit in the first game about the Master Chief being "The Last Spartan").
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Originally Posted by
Bujo
The defense of Halsey is the utilitarian side. Saving mankind from extinction buys one a lot of street cred. Your condemnation of Halsey is the deontological side. What's the point of winning or surviving if every moral and ethical boundary is sacrificed?
Your attempt at framing might carry some weight if it was aimed at James Ackerson's Spartan-IIIs, who actually
were
manufactured to stave off the looming extinction of mankind, rather than Halsey's Spartan-IIs, who were merely terror-weapons intended to bring the restive outer colonies fully back under the jackboot-heel of the UEG.
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Originally Posted by
Bujo
For a bit of "lazy world-building" it seems to have you engaged, and it was enough for 343 to commission Karen Traviss to write a whole trilogy using just the deontological arguments.
LOL. When I play
Halo 3: ODST
, wandering the deserted streets of New Mombasa trying to track down the other members of my squad, I'm engaged. Reading about Halsey's shenanigans is by contrast an exercise in frustration (and a bit of worry that the writers might actually
sympathize
with that Echidna and her murderous worldview).
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Bujo
Most of this was in the first couple books. It was reiterated in Karen Traviss' trilogy which was mostly a bunch insufferable moral brow beating, and among some of the worst books ever written.
You've never actually read, them, I see.
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