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Cobra O13 by HissHissFangFang
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09-25-2021, 01:23 AM
HissHissFangFan
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So back to this guy. I'm not disagreeing with CG23 about the inspiration of the Cobra collar, and especially its importance the look of the OG Cobra Trooper and Officer. As noted, the commando sweater of Retro Stalker is off model and does detract from it being an ideal base.
I've never really studied the original figure or card art in making any of the blue-shirts in this thread. Instead, all figures were tweaked based on the 25th and POC versions, assuming they were accurate enough, and not really knowing where those versions deviated from the vintage stuff. That's why I put the collages together in a earlier post (and reprinted below), so that I could dissect them a little and see what can be done to Stalker Retro build to improve it (if possible).
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My notes:
Really not much in the base uniform itself in the originals, very basic. EXCEPT FOR THE COLLAR. Unfortunately without much else distinguising (talking about base uniform only, excluding arm and thigh greeblies), the collar becomes all that more important to the look--as exemplified by the 2007 25th version.
Trying to get a collar to work with the commando sweater mold and its texture won't work--would just look he's got a collared shirt under a sweater, and preppy is not what we're looking for. The sweater texture needs to removed to add a collar. I've done some early testing, and it's not easy and takes a long time--and still don't have results I think I good enough to show. But I'll keep working on that...
Otherwise, we can accept the lack of collar and try to elevate other aspects. The lack of collar is reminiscent to the early Sunbow design in a way (in my eyes). In that aspect, we could also play with the coloring of webgear to align with that look. As for the sweater texture: technically neither Joes nor Cobras had that look in vintage so I personally can stomach it for both as a tradeoff for the better proportions and articulation--and keep messing with this build.
For the arms, we've got some silver greeblies. I'm not too concerned about this myself at this stage, maybe someone else can easily take this forward. For now, I'm just going to pull a Hasbro, and repaint the arm pockets silver in homage.
Boots of the original don't appear to be tradition modern laced-up style. This was introduced in 25th for both OG Joes and Cobras, and personally I prefer the laced-up boots over the other styles. I'm just so use to it from 25th figures that I didn't even care for the more accurate Joe boots on Clutch, Zap and others really. For the Retro, we really don't have much choice in boots/lower legs at this point, and I love the articulation engineering of the new style (ball-hinge feet with swivel boot top).
We could use some knee pads it seems. We have kneepads we can use immediately in the form of MTF kneepads. Pics soon...
MTF also have matching elbow pads, but elbow pads aren't are part of the vintage figure, card art, or even 25th figure. POC version inherited them from its Shock Trooper base. I've always wanted to try these elbow pads so I've used them regardless. Pics soon...
Finally, we've got the thigh gear. Original figure, card art, and 25th figure have a large pocket/pouch on the right, so Retro Stalker build matches there. Original figure, card art, and 25th figure have a knife with two wraparound straps. Retro Stalker build has another pouch. Retro Trooper moved the knife onto the webgear, so a knife at the thigh would be redundant visually. I'm good with the pouch, but later may play with JoyToy thigh gear, which would require cutting off the pouch sculpting (too early for me to do that, need more fodder). The legs look somewhat boring without the straps for the knife (or even a holster), but I think you've see that some big ass knee pads help this out.
I haven't really dissected the actual Retro Trooper or POC trooper that much in the notes above, but I've run out of space and time for now. Anyone is free to point things out on these guys, pros and cons. I wanted to concentrate on the Stalker build because messing around with it seems the most interesting, and will be the direction I go for the next few weeks. It's flawed in its lack of collar and its sweater look/texture, but I'd like to see what else we could do with this build before really messing with it hardcore.
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