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Which G.I. Joes would be Pro-VAX and which ones would be Anti-VAX ?
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09-15-2021, 09:33 PM
hardcorps
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Wow. Been a while guys, been really busy. I lurk now and then, mostly to see if there any new kickstarters or toys out there.
So, this may have been one of the most cordial internet debates I have seen. So, back to the original question, would any Joes fight the vaccine? Hard to say, but I was in the service during the anthrax debacle. by and large, there was enough concern and outcry that the services suspended the program and changed it so the only ones getting it were people who might truly come into contact with anthrax. I don't recall anyone being court martialed for questioning it, which I have seen people (I don't think in thread) call for.
I currently work at a college that commissions young adults into the armed forces. We have boats but are not Annapolis. The students are about 85% vaccinated which, for another couple of weeks, is still voluntary. Much of the objection is said to be religious, but in reality, I think it is simply that this is a new vaccine that has not been around that long. A few unvax had covid and are just waiting for it to be mandatory. One thing though, we have done a lot of testing. I would say over the last 18 months, about 1/4 to 1/3 tested positive. Communal living and all. Of those, well less than 10% had symptoms. Of course,these are healthy young adults. Also interesting, a couple weeks ago, we had a large social event and a student attended who was infected so we tested every who went. We got about10% positive, all asymptomatic except the original exposure that triggered the testing. Of those positives, 3/4 were vaccinated, so fairly close to the proportion vaccinated.
However, we have also locked the students down for months at a time. Because of the training program we have, students who had been away at sea ended up in a situation where they were potentially locked down either on a ship or at school for 13 months.
We contract health services from a major civilian healthcare company. This company's head of infectious diseases routinely meets with us to discuss covid measures. He advocates the vaccine, but recently said we are vaccinating for a variant that is no longer a threat. Those are his words, not mine.
I am vaccinated, but I loathe some of these recent mandates. if I am vaccinated, why do I care if you are? Variants right? Well, last number I saw, and maybe this was wrong or outdated, 85% of the third world is not vaccinated. The US being 75 instead of 85% vaccinated is not going to cause variants the way other countries that are mostly not vaccinated will. Especially with our porous southern border, and even without that, we allow people to visit here.
I have become very disgusted, however, with the maskers. Do you really believe, randomly constructed masks made of random materials, and worn in various manners is protecting you? Oh wait, it doesn't protect you, it protects others. Well, do you really believe that? And if you are concerned about your safety, get the vaccine so you don't have to worry about others wearing masks.
I also read a study a few months ago on social distancing. the study results basically said that masking and social distancing indoors are irrelevant compared to ventiation. Unless a building has a serious HVAC that exchanges the air regularly, the virus builds up in the air to the point masking and social distancing are irrelevant.
A doctor friend asked me if I had covid. As far as I know, I did not. He found it strange that I could spend so much time in close proximity to a population with a high positivity rate. So maybe I did, and was asymptomatic.
I know I put a lot of stuff here, but I guess what I would say is, if you think the vaccine works get it. But every restriction on our liberty is used as justification for further restrictions. We can require vaccines for school, so why not for everything? We can ban (or severely restrict to the wealthy) machine guns, so why can't we do that for handguns? I see people say things like, if you think a vaccine mandate is tyranny, you must think traffic rules are tyrrany. Really? Your argument is that since we have traffic rules, the govt can pass any restrictions they want?
Anyway, I hope everyone is doing well.
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