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"The Greatest G.I. Joe Character of all Time" Survey
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07-16-2016, 12:22 PM
Tanksmasher
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Some of the further breakdowns might be good. I didn't feel like all these categories were exactly on-point.
To me, Synthoids are as much a Sunbow Trooper as Fatal Fluffies. Bench-Press, I think should be eligible. His real name seems wrong, since we all know that's RnR, and there's never been a dispute that RnR needed to change his code name besides this instance. Bench Press comes with a chainsaw, not a machine gun and ammo straps.
Finally, only about 20 characters have been inducted into the poll who don't have figures (a couple handfuls more have had first-ever figures revealed since the poll began!), and half of those have been inducted within the past 70 slots. This is strong evidence to me that a character with a figure (Marissa, Matt Trakker) should be automatically eligible. And also many unreleased prototypes (think the unreleased aliens or Bombardier, before he had an FSS figure).
It wouldn't bother me one way or the other if synthoids were eligible as troopers, IF we agree to revise the humanoid rule to encompass them. I have no real preference on the matter.
My problem with the Benchpress argument is that characters in separate continuities vary drastically from their original counterparts. ROC Scarlett and Snake Eyes resemble the originals closely. Duke has slight changes: dark brown hair, he's an officer, etc. Rip Cord--his ethnicity completely changes. Breaker is similar but has a different ethnicity and given name. Benchpress has a chainsaw and different code name even. Rex Lewis has a different name than Kessler, which might be an alias anyway, and a different biographical history. The changes range from minor to major, and they are limitless when dealing with separate continuities. A creator of a new continuty can do virtually whatever he wants, making an original character appear almost unrecognizable. So how do we really know if it's a new character or just another version of a character? In my opinion, the file names and code names are the best evidence.
Should we include ROC Breaker, whose given name Shaz differs from Kirby, like we included Lifeline (Scott) and Dusty (Paguette)? In my mind, no, because DDP made that Dusty and Lifeline separate characters, so they became part of the same continuity as the originals. ROC, however, doesn't do that. So for simplicity sake, if it were only up to me, I would write a rule saying that characters of independent continuities (like ROC) that share a significant link to an original, such as a code name or given name, are ineligible UNLESS there is reasonable evidence that indicates the character's given name or code name is merely coincidental.
And here's a perfect example of an exception to that rule. Rampage (McDaniel) from DDP and VvV shares a code name with Ramage (Remington) from Extreme. Two separate continuities. Under my rule they'd appear ineligible but since the former is a Joe and the latter is a villain, I'd say that's a reasonable argument to make an exception. TF Wreckage (Moreno) is also a Joe and Wreckage (Alexander) from Extreme is a villain, so again I'd make an exception. Others here, however, might not. They might claim that a change in allegiance or whatever shouldn't make the connection coincidental. But we have to come up with some general guideline that narrows it down. Differences in hair color, rank, weapons, specialties, ethnicities, biographies, file names, birth places, and allegiances as criteria for determing whether two characters are the same is subjective and debatable but I'd like to come up with a simple easy to use rule that cuts down on the back and forth.
Sure, as Lifeline said, people can have the same code name and even given name, but in reality we can't confirm that Benchpress isn't Rock n Roll in the same way that we can prove that Lifeline's neighbor isn't his mother. The rule would be just a general rule to handle hazy, gray issues. If someome can quote an official source, like a Hasbro creator or employee, stating Benchpress is an entirely different character and not inspired or based on Rock n Roll or that his given name is just coincidental, then that's a valid reason to make an exception under that rule, and I would allow it. I have heard of such claims in fact but am unable to confirm them. And the rules wouldn't be absolute, as in there's no wiggle room for interpretation of exceptional circumstances, but I'd like to nail down some of the bigger issues.
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