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"The Greatest G.I. Joe Character of all Time" Survey
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07-16-2016, 10:22 AM
JediJones
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Question 2 doesn't make sense to me. The examples offered are inconsistent with the premise. Optimus Prime has not ONLY appeared in G.I. Joe vs. Transformers. He appeared in Transformers independently. Stealth B.A.T. is a character who did ONLY appear in a crossover series. This should be two separate questions at least. Characters who ONLY appear in a crossover series have no clear home in either a Joe or Transformers poll, so they are a very different animal than a character who originated in one of the properties crossing over. So that requires 2 separate questions.
Another problem with Question 2, Street Fighter was never a "crossover" story. It was just a pre-existing brand that slapped the G.I. Joe brand name on it. There was a 12" G.I. Joe Indiana Jones figure that did the same thing. So, again, this should be a totally separate question related to use of the G.I. Joe brand name on otherwise unrelated characters.
Arguably, Marissa is a different animal entirely, because her very existence is predicated on the existence of G.I. Joe. I would argue every episode she is in is technically a crossover, and she is a character who originated in a crossover story, not in a solo Transformers story. This interpretation becomes even more clear when you look at Old Snake and how his episode is clearly a crossover with G.I. Joe. So given that categorization, we wouldn't need another question for her, she would be covered under the current wording of Question 2. We certainly need to allow for the fact that one STORY in a series can be a crossover, even if the whole series isn't. We saw that clearly happen in the later Marvel Joe comic with a few issues of a crossover story that the club's upcoming set is based on.
I answered based on the wording of Question 2, but not based on the erroneous examples provided that don't fit the premise.
Also, you have Chef under the wrong question. He was an unproduced concept from Hasbro, I think for a mail-in figure, so at least a 6. Not sure if he got to a 5. He also opens the question as to whether the "custom class" figures produced for the con are official (as people argue the Canadian figures are). We probably should have a separate question on that as well as on the Canadian con figures.
1. Characters that are not human or humanoid and have NO human shape or likeness, EXCLUDING plants and animals. Examples: synthoids, blobs, and giant alien eyeballs.
Response: Definitely Ineligible
2. Characters that have ONLY appeared in a G.I. Joe crossover series, such as “Transformers vs G.I. Joe” or “Street Fighter x G.I. Joe,” regardless of origination. Examples: Marissa Faireborn, Stealth BAT, Bludgeon, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Chun Li, Blanka, Guile, and many more.
Response: Definitely Eligible
3. Characters that appeared but did NOT originate in G.I. Joe media, EXCLUDING those in a crossover series (see examples above) or previous poll winners (e.g. Sgt. Slaughter and Roddy Piper). Examples: Matt Trakker and Bullet Man.
Response: Definitely Eligible
4. Characters that were published but later retracted with a statement of correction. Examples: Rocky Balboa.
Response: Definitely Eligible
5. Characters that were unproduced or cancelled prototypes. Examples: Kaos Crew, Arkanoid (Manimal), Spasma (Manimal), and many more.
Response: Indifferent
6. Characters that were unpublished sketches, concepts, or narratives. Examples: Dave Dorman's Dreadnok with a mohawk and Kurt Groen's pirate oil baron. (
https://arealamericanbook.wordpress.com/tag/unproduced/
)
Response: Ineligible
7. Characters of unlicensed media, including custom toys and fan fiction but excluding licensed material in Kindle Worlds. Examples include Chef and Noga87’s “franken Joes.”
Response: Definitely Ineligible
8. Characters from parallel or alternative universes that can interact with their non-alternative counterparts, EXCLUDING characters, such as Tamox from "Shattered Glass," who are merely alternative versions and can not interact with the original versions of themselves. Examples: the Baroness from “Worlds Without End” episodes.
Response: Definitely Eligible
9. Characters of independent continuities who have unique code names but share the same GIVEN NAME as original or preceding characters. Examples: ROC Air Raid (Franklin Talltree), ROC Bench Press (Craig McConnel), and ROC Speed Metal (Sherman Guderian).
Response: Definitely Ineligible
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