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02-02-2015, 01:15 PM
Jmacq1
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Fred Broca
Iron Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1966, Iron Man was featured in a series of cartoons.[109] In 1981, Iron Man guest appeared in Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, but only as Tony Stark.[110] He went on to feature again in his own series in the 1990s as part of the Marvel Action Hour with the Fantastic Four; Robert Hays provided his voice in these animated cartoons. Iron Man makes an appearance in the episode "Shell Games" of Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes. Apart from comic books, Iron Man appears in Capcom's "Vs." video games, including Marvel Super Heroes, Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes as either a Gold War Machine or Hyper Armor War Machine, Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes, Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds, and Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. Iron Man is a playable character in Iron Man, the 1992 arcade game Captain America and the Avengers, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance and its sequel, and Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects, as well as being featured as an unlockable character in X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse and Tony Hawk's Underground.
Captain America had the '60's cartoon, two live action TV Series in the '70's, and some appearances in the 80's, 90's, and 00's.
Captain America in other media - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I didn't find much on Thor so I'm going off the top of head, Thor just had the 60's cartoon and the made for TV movie with the Hulk when he kept calling the Hulk a green troll. Prior to the movies to if you asked people who Iron Man was, they would probably tell you it's a Black Sabbath song, a sports fan would tell probably say Cal Ripken. Ask them who Thor was, would tell you the Norse god of thunder and that's probably about it. Show a person a picture of Thor, they wouldn't be able to identity find because Kirby and Lee didn't base Thor of his depiction in Norse mythology, and I daresay nobody could tell you who Cap was. To here is say that Cap, Thor, and Iron Man were a big part of pop culture and easily recognizable characters is intellectually dishonestly, especially since the only Marvel even used those characters in the first place is because they didn't have the rights to Spidey, the X-Men and F.F.[/b]
Intellectual dishonesty?
Try doing a bit more research and figure out just how much those comics used to sell before the idiots in charge decided they were "collectors items" and killed the market in the mid-90's. There was a time when even their "low sellers" were in the hundreds of thousands of copies.
You are VASTLY underestimating how popular comic books were from the 60's through the early 90's.
Nevermind that the "recognition" of any given G.I. Joe character is VASTLY LESS than what you claim Marvel's was before the movies. Go ahead...go show the average guy or girl off the street a picture of Chuckles and see how many people recognize him. Even Duke or Flint, at best, is probably going to just be called "G.I. Joe." The bad guys likely fare a bit better, but you seem to forget that for most folks these days, ARAH G.I. Joe is a punchline because of how cheesy and campy the old series is perceived as being.
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Dude, Disney made a successful film franchise based of a theme park ride. As I said before, only G.I. JOE needs is a good script and a good movie.
Plenty of good movies with good scripts fail to make much money every year. You act like there's a sure-fire formula for movie success that's great enough to spawn a massive franchise. News flash: There isn't. If there was,
every movie in the world would use it.
So what was that about "intellectual dishonesty?" Because you sure throw stones really well from that glass house.
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Again, we have the intellectual dishonesty. Can you sit here an honestly say that the Marvel movies would be as successful are before they can out. Or that Aquaman is getting a movie. If Aquaman and Ant Man can get a movie, I don't see why properly written and executed JOE character can't.
You might want to rephrase that first bit, because I'm not sure what "Can you sit here and honestly say that Marvel movies would be as successful are before they can out" means.
As for the rest: Most G.I. Joe characters are paper-thin compared to Aquaman or even Ant-Man, who have decades of history behind them. The vast bulk of G.I. Joe characters (IE anyone not named Duke, Snake-Eyes, Scarlett, Storm-Shadow, Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, and maybe Zartan, Flint, Firefly, Roadblock, and Lady Jaye) have at best a handful issues of comic books and maybe an episode or two of a cartoon mostly about them. Not exactly rich character development there. Compared to thousands of appearances for Aquaman and Ant-Man and it's not even a contest.
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Snakes Eyes is hard to do because he doesn't talk.
That's why it'd probably be a Snake-Eyes AND Storm-Shadow movie. And likely include at least a couple other Joes/Cobras as well.
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It all depends on premise of the movie.
So you think ARAH G.I. Joe isn't about a team. Got it.
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This is only after you've seen what the finished product was, especially after GotG.
Uh..no. They made it pretty clear that Captain America was a World War II period piece before it came out. The Producer and directors couldn't stop talking about how Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a "political thriller." Or how Guardians of the Galaxy was a "Space Opera" well before those films came out.
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It's worked for James Bond for 50 years.
So now G.I. Joe is James Bond? When does G.I. Joe get to be G.I. Joe? Nevermind that then the G.I. Joe movies just become James-Bond Ripoffs in the eyes of the public, automatically starting them from a position of inferiority.
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JOE fans will see anything that has the name
G.I. JOE
attached to it, not only will they see it, they'll argue that fucked up product is actually good. RoC proved that.
Well, given that Joe fans are statistically insignificant when it comes to Hollywood blockbusters, that's pretty irrelevant either way.
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