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01-31-2015, 01:25 PM
Fred Broca
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
burnsy213
It'll never happen. GI Joe doesn't have the standalone characters that superheroes have.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JokerFC
a Justice League Movie?so unlikely its hard to believe it will ever happen.....even moreso it will NEVER beat the way Avengers was done.
-When Do We Get Our Justice League Movie,
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/newrep...eply&p=3671988
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Originally Posted by
burnsy213
If it were to happen it would be different characters have main roles in different movies, while they take turns in lesser roles depending on the theme.
That actually isn't a bad idea and is something that should be considered.
Fred has just invented a time machine and we're going to the year 2007. A discussion is going on in the [i]Movie, DVD, Television section of the Hisstank forum about why superheros (when adapted to film,) other characters from say Marvel or DC aren't brought in to have crossovers and what not.
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Originally Posted by
SmokeBellew
The problem is, no one outside of toy nerds cares about Snake Eyes or Duke or Storm Shadow, let alone Ripcord or Shipwreck. And toy nerds ain't exactly numerous of numbers or mainstream. Hell, I'm a "fan" and I don't have much interest in watching a Snake Eyes movie.
The problem is no one outside of FANBOYS cares about IRON MAN, CAPTAIN AMERICA, or THOR, let alone the Avengers. And FANBOYS ain't exactly numerous or a part of the mainstream. Hell, I'm a "fan" and I don't have much interest in watching a CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIE.
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Originally Posted by
SmokeBellew
As for subteams, same issue only worse: no one knows WTF a "Dreadnok" or "Sky Patrol" is. G.I. Joe just isn't anywhere near being on the same level of public recognition as Marvel or DC stuff. Case in point: "Guardians of the Galaxy!? WTF is that?...Oh! Marvel! It's about superheroes! Cool!"
]As for subteams, same issue only worse: no one knows WTF S.H.I.E.L.D. is and the general public would only view the AVENGERS as a bootleg version of the
Super Friends
. With the possibly the exception of the X-Men and Spider-Man, Marvel characters just isn't anywhere near being on the same level of public recognition as SUPERMAN or Batman. Case in point: BANE!? Who's that? Oh, he's the guy that broke THE BATMAN'S BACK! Cool!
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SmokeBellew
Now contrast that to: "Gung Ho? What's that? Looks like a movie about a "Bear" or The Village People or some shit...oh...it's G.I. Joe...you know, that shitty flick from a couple of years ago based on that cheesy cartoon my older brother made me watch once or twice..."
Now contrast that to: "CAPTAIN AMERICA". What's that? Looks like a movie about some dude in patriotic suit who fights Nazis, or some shit...oh...it's a MARVEL CHARACTER that had that shitty flick from 1990. All Captain America does is throw his shield and the only thing that was cool about his is the theme song from that cartoon in the '60's.
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Originally Posted by
SmokeBellew
It makes perfect sense to anyone who isn't an adult fan of toys. The point is, G.I. Joe has next to no "brand cache" in popular culture--matter of fact, it may just be a "shit brand" nowadays (too associated with something hokey and dated to successfully make the leap to modern audiences)--and it isn't anywhere remotely close to being as valuable--or as marketable--as Marvel.
It makes perfect sense to anyone who isn't an adult fan of COMICS. The point is, (with the exception of SPIDEY maybe WOLVERINE,) MARVEL has next to no "brand cache," in popular culture--matter of fact, it may be a "shit brand" nowadays (too associated with something hokey and dated to successfully make the leap to modern audiences)--and it isn't anywhere remotely close to being as valuable --or as marketable as--SUPERMAN or Batman.
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Originally Posted by
SmokeBellew
Are you really so out of touch? There may be some vague awareness outside of comic readers and toy collectors, but it would be mostly of the, "I remember that cartoon." variety. As far as pop culture characters go, they don't even rate, and certainly not of the same magnitude as Marvel superhero characters.
Are you really so out of touch? There may be some vague awareness outside of comics readers, but outside of SPIDER-MAN, and some mutants, very few people could identity THOR, IRON MAN, CAP, let alone tell you they were in the AVENGERS. As far as pop culture characters go, they don't even rate and not of the same magnitude as DC superhero characters.
[QUOTE=SmokeBellew;4791773]I think a "Snake Eyes" movie could be very successful, but I suspect "G.I. Joe" would have to be removed from the title for that to happen. I could see average guys/gals sitting in a theatre watching a trailer where some awesome masked badass of a ninja/commando/warrior thing is utterly decimating enemies with extreme prejudice and going, "Shit! I want to see that!" Add "G.I. Joe" to it and it suddenly becomes, "Oh, it's that kid's toy!" That happens not just because of the name, "G.I. Joe," but also because G.I. Joe is a kid's toy and Hasbro wants it to be a kid's toy. That means Snake Eyes can't be too realistic of a back-breaking, neck-snapping psychopath. It also means you can't create one helluva war flick about a team of counter-terrorist soldiers who act in a realistically gritty way. Once you attach "G.I. Joe" to it, that team of counter-terrorists soldiers now has to walk a fine line between being taken seriously by adult audiences and remaining "kid friendly."[/quote[]
I think an IRON MAN movie could be very successful, but I suspect, that MARVEL would have to be removed from the title for that to happen. I could see average guys/gals sitting in a theatre watching a trailer where some awesome badass, sarcastic wit, and devil may care attitude of Tony Stark who's technological genius who makes mechs. "Shit! I want to see that!" Add "MARVEL" to it (without Spidey or mutants,) and it suddenly becomes, "MARVEL'S B LIST CHARACTERS!
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Originally Posted by
SmokeBellew
That happens not just because of the name, "G.I. Joe," but also because G.I. Joe is a kid's toy and Hasbro wants it to be a kid's toy. That means Snake Eyes can't be too realistic of a back-breaking, neck-snapping psychopath. It also means you can't create one helluva war flick about a team of counter-terrorist soldiers who act in a realistically gritty way. Once you attach "G.I. Joe" to it, that team of counter-terrorists soldiers now has to walk a fine line between being taken seriously by adult audiences and remaining "kid friendly."
Now I did that little revision to prove a point. Everything that you said could have easily and was probably said about Marvel characters prior to the success of the Marvel cinematic universe. People would have argued that an Iron Man film would have never seen the light of day, let alone been successful. People would have argued that Marvel would have only made an Avengers movie in response to a JLA movie because the Avengers lacked the name recognition and popularity of the JLA. If an Avengers film was to ever it would have been in response to a Justice League project not vice versa. It's to the point now that folks argue that only Marvel Studios are capable of handling their properties properly, and fanboys are doubting if the WB can put out a decent JLA movie. The success of the Marvel Studios have dispelled a lot of these misplaced notions that some have long held about movie adaption of comic books. The issue with G.I. Joe isn't the that it's a toy. The issue is that screenwriters and directors, are viewing toy properties as comic were once viewed as a fucking joke.
Ironically, out of all of the toys out there, JOE is the easiest one to build your franchise on. What a JOE movie needs either a straight up fan writing the script and directing or somebody who sees the potential in the project. I've been listening to Kevin Smith's
Fatman on Batman
podcasts and I've learned there's a reason why all of comic to TV and movie adaptions have been so good of late, it's because you have fanboys and doing the creative work. Jeph Loeb has been reading over comics for damn 50 years and has over 100,000 of them. Geoff Johns actually wrote comics and is Chief Creative Officer at DC is acts as a liaison with the TV and Film division. These guys not only get the source material, but they also bring with them their love and passion to the projects they're involved with. That's what G.I. JOE needs somebody who understands the brand, the characters and who is able to work with the creative forces behind a project. You want to allow people to have creative freedom, but at the same time you don't want them doing shit like making up love triangles that don't exist, putting a fish bowl on C.C. or wasting JGL's talents.
That's where in lies the problem. Will Hasbro let some busy bitch dictate who their characters will be portrayed. I think a happy balance would be if they went the
Winter Solider
route.
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Originally Posted by
SmokeBellew
Superheroes have an easier time dealing with this dichotomy. Adults have to suspend disbelief from the get-go--because, well, SUPERHEROES--so while superheroes are expected to deal with some heavy things without crossing certain kid-friendly lines left over from the Golden Age (you'll recall, of course, the geek tantrum over Supes snapping Zod's neck in the Man of Steel), we're not really looking at any of it as real anyway and they get some hefty leeway to be both believable and ridiculous at the same time. But the G.I. Joe team aren't superheroes. They're soldiers, which is as real-ass as real-ass can get. So in a very real sense it's a brand that has to contend with making action movies that appeal to adults while simultaneously somehow making warfare kid-friendly without resorting to camp, kitsch or outright ridiculousness. It's a tall order and it’s why I personally feel G.I. Joe isn’t right for the big screen. It's trying to be all things to all people. Hasbro needs to just pick an audience and concentrate on that audience.
[b]I disagree, you have to suspend disbelief whenever you do see a movie, there's just different levels to it. For example, you have to suspend disbelief when you go see a Bond movie and you definitely had to suspend disbelief when you watch
300
.
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