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What secrets lurk in the filecards?
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10-24-2009, 11:27 AM
Loose Cannon
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Tanksmasher
In December 1965, the 1st Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division created a provisional LRRP platoon. In April 1966, the 1st Infantry Division and 173rd Airborne Brigade formed provisional LRRP units, followed by more LRRP units in the 25th Infantry Division in June 1966. General W. C. Westmoreland authorized the official creation of LRRP units on July 8, 1966. Afterwards, the 4th and 9th Infantry Divisions, the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and the 1st Air Cavalry Division created their own LRRP units.
In June 1967, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Earle G. Wheeler, authorized two LRP companies for I and II Field Forces. The LRRP platoons from the 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division and the 173rd Airborne Brigade, along with replacement soldiers, helped formed Company E (LRP), 20th Infantry (Airborne) and Company F (LRP), 51st Infantry (Airborne) respectively. Each company had about 230 men, commanded by a major.
On February 1, 1969 divisional LRP companies and brigade detachments were designated as Ranger companies of the 75th Infantry Regiment. Ranger companies were inactivated as they withdrew from the war between November 1969 and August 15, 1972.
MACV Recondo School was formally approved by General Westmoreland on September 4, 1966. The three-week course was taught in Nha Trang by the 5th Special Forces Group, who previously instructed recon teams for Project Delta. Personnel from all branches of the US Armed Forces, along with soldiers from Vietnam, Korea, Australia, Thailand and the Philippines, attended together. Classes typically had 60 students and students were formed into five-man teams with an instructor. During October and November of 1967, all classes were reserved for personnel from LRP Company E (20th Infantry) and F (51st Infantry), but none of the 333 students completed all of the requirements and were not awarded Recondo numbers. Over 3000 personnel, including the above 333, were trained between September 1966 and December 1970.
Awesome find Tanksmasher! Does this mean Stalker had to go Special Forces since his Company may have been deactivated? Maybe take a back seat for a while to catch up language skills, and thus the lower pay grade?
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Tanksmasher
I think that SE would have been a LRRP first and then joined SF when he re-enlisted for a second tour. Granted, none of this may be what Hama intended--I'm extrapolating and considering all possibilities--but to say that SE went SF is not at all implausible. In fact it is very likely. Many guys, particularly LRRPs, joined SF during the war. And keep in mind that recruitment back then was different than it is now. For instance, you could attend SF training as a private right out of BCT, AIT and Jump School. Now if SE was a draftee (and we don't really know), he would only serve two years active duty, but if he joined SF he would have to extend his service to 3 years. And if he had volunteered for the Army, his service would already be for 3 years.
To join SF, a soldier needed at least 18 months remaining on his enlistment, so if he joined after completing his first tour, he would have had 18 months in the Army at that point. That leaves 18 months left of a 3-year service, but SF volunteers were required to have 18 months of service left AFTER training, which lasted anywhere from 18 to 42 weeks depending on MOS (medics required the most; weapons leader the least). However the Army often waived certain requirements so what actually ocurred often differed from what was written.
The best theory to date!
Interesting note: From 1969, all who graduated the SF Qual Course were promoted to E-5 Sgt. Graduates were slotted into E-6 and E-7 positions. Also, they underwent a 2 week combat course at Recondo School.
I knew I had heard this before where SF grads got bumped to E-7. I wonder if this still holds true today? You have to be an E-4 to start Q course right?
Recondo School was run by 5th SF Group and MACV, not MACV-SOG from what I understand.
What's the difference?
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Originally Posted by
oliverbox
Now, for my money - Larry's making the case that Snake-Eyes an exceptional LRRP and was thus recruited for MACV-SOG, but he's not saying Snake-Eyes is Special Forces. Then again, with the fire at Ft. Leonard Wood, who knows what Larry is really saying. Maybe Larry doesn't even know or want to make an answer. Maybe the real answer is that there is no answer. Snake-Eyes' real MOS is "Mysterious"... it's a literary device.
But you guys did a great job of trying to research all this while I was gone. Sorry you had to reread Declassified, Troynos. Wow. Tanksmasher owes you Big Time. ;)
I don't think he wants us to know. Or maybe he's afraid what we'll find out?
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Originally Posted by
oliverbox
Based on that article y'all tracked down, it seems like "Robert 'Bob' Light" is as good as it's going to get for a "real" name for Snake-Eyes.
That's weird. I once had a dream about Snake-Eyes real name. I think I was in middle school. I was rereading the comics. This mystery really, really appealed to me. Anyway, I had a dream and in the dream I found out that Snake-Eyes name was "Robert..." and then I woke up. I never heard his last name. But it's funny that Robert was the name in my dream, and the real guy's name was Bob.
I always thought it would be Bob.
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Originally Posted by
Tyroc
Maybe Mr Hama is intentionally keeping his answers vague so that he doesn't accidentally give away anything that he might have in mind for a future story, be it joe or to be incorporated into another book...like Nth Man. I'd love Marvel to resurrect Nth Man.
Oh I'd love to see Nth man return.
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lespaul59
Do we really want to know every detail about Snake Eyes? Would SE even be as special as he is if he becomes Bob insted of the man with no name? I think Robert/Bob is a little to generic.
I agree lespaul but as a place holder Bob Wilson works pretty Good. ;)
Damn you guys were busy!
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