| Updated G.I. Joe Rise Of Cobra Sales Figures From Target | | Posted on 12-08-2009 at 01:10 AM by Shin Densetsu |  | HISS Tank member kennywr22 has posted updated G.I. Joe Rise of Cobra sales figures and comparisons from Target. This update gives us an idea of how well the line is doing during the holiday shopping season:
The figures themselves have been doing quite well with sales in 20,000 the last few weeks. Last week it was 24,000 plus. Now i compared these to the transformer line(pretty unfair in my opinion since this is the second movie following a cartoon, has a much bigger fan base already) this line sells about double that at around 48,000 a week. Now the clone wars line sold about 32,000 last week. Now i think that the clone wars has a cartoon and the joes hang pretty close with them in sales. Pits are selling and the deluxe figures(target exclusives) have jump up to over 8,000 a week(thanks to the second wave finally being out.that is compared to around 1,500 to 2,000 before) Overall the sales of joe stuff is quite good in my opinion. What's your all thoughts?
Will the holidays sales combined with sales since summer be enough to encourage retailers and Hasbro to pursue more aggressive releases and advertising/promotion for G.I. Joe?
| | Credit: kennywr22 of the Hiss Tank Forums! | Views: 3,008 |  | | kennywr22: Ok it's been awhile since i've posted anything about the sales but i figured since it's been a couple of weeks of christmas shopping i'd let you know how things are going. The figures themselves have been doing quite well with sales in 20,000 the last few weeks. Last week it was 24,000 plus. Now i compared these to the transformer line(pretty unfair in my opinion since this is the second movie following a cartoon, has a much bigger fan base already) this line sells about double that at around 48,000 a week. Now the clone wars line sold about 32,000 last week. Now i think that the clone wars has a cartoon and the joes hang pretty close with them in sales. Pits are selling and the deluxe figures(target exclusives) have jump up to over 8,000 a week(thanks to the second wave finally being out.that is compared to around 1,500 to 2,000 before) Overall the sales of joe stuff is quite good in my opinion. What's your all thoughts? Zoltron: I think it's good.
Someone should buy 24,000 Destro and Baroness though. Vulcan_Raven: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltron  I think it's good.
Someone should buy 24,000 Destro and Baroness though. | Nice... RayType: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltron I think it's good.
Someone should buy 24,000 Destro and Baroness though. | Plus Neo-Vipers. Zoltron: Quote:
Originally Posted by RayType Plus Neo-Vipers. | Neo vipers I don't mind. I like seeing troop builders on the shelves. But no more Baroness/Duke/Destro.
It's sickening man. Totally sickening. Waspinator: Joes are selling almost as well as Clone Wars? That can't be right since Target seems to be constantly restocking Clone Wars figures and I haven't seen any new ROC figures in many months. It's always the same peg warmers. ero: I'm pretty sure my Target has given up on RoC for the time being. Nothing new in weeks, and the pegs look exactly the same. Shogi: Quote:
Originally Posted by Waspinator Joes are selling almost as well as Clone Wars? That can't be right since Target seems to be constantly restocking Clone Wars figures and I haven't seen any new ROC figures in many months. It's always the same peg warmers. | Maybe GI Joe sells better at Targets in another region?
Also, are you sure it's Clone Wars figures you're seeing and not Legacy figures (They have almost the same packaging, I don't know if they have the same DPCI) I've seen only one new wave of Clone Wars in a couple of months, but I've seen 2-3 new legacy waves in the same time frame Vick Viper: That may be the case in your area, but I'm going to take this chance to vent a little...
The pegs at the Targets in my city have not seen plastic past wave 3. To this very post. It's nice because you can stock up on Pit Commandos (or your own army builder of choice) but the figs that do not sell build up and eventually consume the entire area like a zombie infestation until there's nothing left but Destro, Baroness, Cobra Commander and variations of Duke/HD, creating an embargo of shipments which keeps the stores from ordering the new supplies once they are released, choking the life out of the traffic in the isles.
The same boring figures linger on the pegs, waiting, waiting for the next collector, or the same dummy who believes Target cares enough about collectors to set up other endcaps to get this fail clutter out of the backstock, to stare them directly in the eye and communicate with a silent , plasticky, "Why'd you come back?" look. While the exclusives have a much better circulation ratio, single cards are in a static, potato famine stance with no signs of improvement.
You obviously work for the company, unless you are some sales-numbers-internet-stalker who hoards sales figures like I hoard Pit Commandos. I live in Colorado. Send the Store Managers in this district a memo plz. macstavern: nothing past wave 3 for me, not at target.... thank god for k mart FireFly201: I like Walmart price better than Target. And I still find it hard to believe that the Pit are selling.
The freakin thing has no appeal to me. However, if it goes on clearance for llike $30- bucks then sure, why not. Nirvana: While there is build up of the same figures, a bigger problem is some Target stores that haven't been sent stock since late August. Half the stores I stop at have plenty of room for 6 or more cases of figures and no one is sending these stores more figures. Only one Target put out a single case past Wave 3, but it was the same Wave 5 Rev. 1 every WM in town has been stocking steadily for a month.
We have our Wave 2 finally and I'm happy for that. Some made more room while others just swapped out the Wave 1 stock for the new Wave 2. Getting a SNAKE was difficult due to a severe army builder (or maybe this jerk is a scalper, but I've seen him buy 14 now between several stores), yet I do finally have the one I wanted. I can pick up a 2nd for myself next year, as long as I got my one for now. spiderpumpkin: Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana We have our Wave 2 finally and I'm happy for that. Some made more room while others just swapped out the Wave 1 stock for the new Wave 2. Getting a SNAKE was difficult due to a severe army builder (or maybe this jerk is a scalper, but I've seen him buy 14 now between several stores), yet I do finally have the one I wanted. I can pick up a 2nd for myself next year, as long as I got my one for now. | How did you see him buy these at different stores? Do you guys shop at exactly the same time and you are just behind him in getting to the shelf every time? Djinvasor: Same figs at target around here. only walmart and k mart have been getting wave 4 and 5 lespaul59: I haven't been to my local Target since Black Friday so I don't know about what they have on the shelf but the WM closest to me has stock five W5 cases in the last week. I picked up the last CSSE they had Thursday, went back yesterday and they had three more. So the ROC figures have to be moving pretty good because the pegs are almost full but not as full as they would be if they just kept putting figures out. Nirvana: Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderpumpkin How did you see him buy these at different stores? Do you guys shop at exactly the same time and you are just behind him in getting to the shelf every time? | We ended up on the same patrol path that day (each store was under 10mins from the last one) so I would run into him just as he was walking out of the aisle or almost to the register each time. I've had that happen with several collectors & scalpers over the years. Usually SW people. lol. Beckley: Yeah, the 2 Targets by me have nothing past wave 3.
Dukes, Destro, Baroness, Neo Vipers, and Heavy Duty. Hicks_Royel: Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana We ended up on the same patrol path that day (each store was under 10mins from the last one) so I would run into him just as he was walking out of the aisle or almost to the register each time. I've had that happen with several collectors & scalpers over the years. Usually SW people. lol. | So... next time you know to start on the other end of the path, right? Or maybe just skip the first store on the path. Derek2783: If Joes are really selling at a 3:4 ratio to SW Clone figures, that's awesome, and bodes very well for the future of the line! Steelgrave: Quote:
Originally Posted by ero I'm pretty sure my Target has given up on RoC for the time being. Nothing new in weeks, and the pegs look exactly the same. |
Same here. I don't even bother with Target. Every time I go in there it's exactly the same. The only thing they ever restock are the Star Wars figures.
And Toys R Us is a hundred times worse. That shitty store hasn't restocked in 6+ months. They had that 2 for $9.99 sale a couple weeks ago & never restocked anything since. vermillion21: Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelgrave Same here. I don't even bother with Target. Every time I go in there it's exactly the same. | Ditto. It really sucks. slim19722: I check my 5 local Target stores regularly and with the price reduction & holiday shopping, the figures have moved, although it's only up to wave 3 figure's. Before that, the pegs were clogged full of Viper's, Destro's, and Baroness's, now I see PP SE's, RA Scarlett's, PIT Commando's, Flash, etc...and the pegs are les than full, which shows them restocking pretty regularly now. K-Mart, Wal-Mart, Gordman's, and Wal-Greens have been where I have found all the newer waves. TRU was only getting new cases that were packed with their Exclusive Benchpress & Snow Serepnt, but I did find a Artic Threat Storm Shadow there the other day, so newer waves may finally be hitting TRU. Fierce Krypton: I know I have bought a bunch of crap for $5 that I would not buy at any higher price... Ice Viper, 2 joes for my brother for Christmas instead of 1, ect. Stygian: Although it took little prescience to figure this out, as I had hoped, the holidays have saved Hasbro's bacon where the Joe line is concerned. I figured that sales would increase in time for x-mas, as parents dig around for stocking stuffers and other similar 'cheaper' gifts that aren't necessarily on par with a new game system or a $50 game for that new console junior asked for this year. The question is will enough kids get hooked on RoC Joes to sustain the line through 2010.
My guess is a cartoon series or other recognizable 'hook' targeted at the youth market could help maintain larger sales numbers next year, but only if the Joes purchased as x-mas presents actually land in the hands of kids who wanted them, instead of kids who will just pitch them into a toybox, never to be seen again. In other words, what Hasbro chooses to do next could mean everything for this line.
Will they follow up with a cartoon or live action series next year to help maintain market presence and awareness to the often fickle youth market? Or will they simply hope that the movie and brisque x-mas sales will keep the brand out there in the zeitgeist, pushing the wave until the next movie in a few years? Or perhaps still they will hope that an avid adult collector market coupled with a raised awareness in the youth sector due to the movie and brisque holiday sales combined, will sustain the momemtum they need to keep the line going.
Regardess of what Hasbro chooses to do I have to say that as a fan I am mightily pleased with the RoC and PoC product. Excellent sculpts, tons of accessories, and a general maintained respect for the Joe universe warms this fans heart everytime I see a new reveal or find a long searched for figure. Hasbro is doing it very right (at least for my money) and I certainly do NOT want to see them fail any time soon. CrimsonGuard101: This is still not good news for the line. Once again it is misconstrued that it is a success for Hasbro. They did thier part already months ago selling off orders of waves 1-3 to all of the retailers. Why do you think that is all they have to put out? They have not ordered anymore newer wave assortments. When Walgreens decided to stock up on ROC merch for December gifts look what they ended up with waves 4 and 5. Those have barley even touched the mass retail market until like 2 weeks ago. To little too late..
Also you have a major near half price reduction in the figures costs. They were $8-$9 at release...now $5-$6...retailers are loosing out on the profits they were garunteed for that mark up because of the frezy the movie was supposed to generate for toy buyers. It did not resonate that well and with the overstock ordered, when the figures bought hit saturation no more figures were ordered.
Wave 2 taregt exclusives started popping up all of sudden too becuase they know they will not sell after Christmas, they have to or end up clearencing it all in January.
I am waiting for reports on the 4th quater sales reports of the Joe figures before decalring the holiday season a success for retailers and the ROC products they bought from hasbro which made hasbro all of its money in the 3rd qurater.
Going to be a totally different story as they decide to restock for next year come april/june 2010 for the persuit of cobra themed figures. No cartoon, no new movie for a while and nothing to keep interest in ROC as its come and gone for the kiddies. That poses a huge risk to stock up well and provide ample shelf space for new wave assortments going forward for retailers (esepcially walmart which I am certain will turn it's nose up to PoC theme figures like they ended up doing with the 25th/ME line)
When you see more new corps figures then joes on a weekly basis ya kinda wonder why...
I still can not take these supposed numbers blindly without a shred of evidence the OG posted actually works in a department privy to these numbers and without physical tangible evidence of them as well. Anyone can make a post on the interwebs and sound reasonable, but to believe it blinldy is a huge issue for me. I trust no one. joecom: Still wave 1 and 2 at all of my Target stores samantha: Those sales numbers look good. Jmacq1: Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101 I still can not take these supposed numbers blindly without a shred of evidence the OG posted actually works in a department privy to these numbers and without physical tangible evidence of them as well. Anyone can make a post on the interwebs and sound reasonable, but to believe it blinldy is a huge issue for me. I trust no one. | So whenever they say something you don't want to hear (That RoC figures are selling in decent numbers), you assume they must be lying.
That explains SO much. Nevermind it also paints the runners of the site as gullible, since they front-paged this news, but you probably didn't think that far ahead, did you?
Funny, I feel the same way when someone says, "Not a single RoC figure has sold in any store I've ever been in since they were released!" Skylancer81: My walmart since black friday has gone from 188 roc joes down to as low as 31.
We have a PoS (Point of Sale) restock system. so when an item we want to keep stocked at a certain number drops below that the system auto reorders it based on sales.
Everyday I have worked I check to see what we have in stock and on order. We have ordered, received and restocked 12 cases so far. the bad thing is that every case we have received from Hasbro has been the Wave Revision 1 case. That's only CS SE and AT SS from wave 5. Red Fang ninja, Charbroil and Night adder from wave 4 and the remaining 7 from waves 3 and 2.
We sell out of the figures from wave 5 and 4 everyday after cases are restocked. The others move too, just takes a day or two more. The only real peg warmers we still have are Destro, Neo Viper, Both Heavy Duty's, and PP Baroness. I think about 30 or so total of them have not moved since Black friday.
The Targets and Kmart I check around here have sold out and restocked as well. Also with only the revision wave 5 cases it seems. The targets have some peg warmers but the kmart is either full of the revision cases or empty of all figures. coreystinson: Information that I have suggests that at $5 / figure the RoC figures are being sold at or less than cost, even for the major retailers. I am not sure if Target is currently selling them for that but I believe someone was, and if not Target, they are probably matching it? It's great that they are selling a lot of product, but if the only way they can sell it is at a break-even or loss then that does not assist the future of the line in the eyes of any retailers.
CrimsonGuard101 has it *exactly* right. Jmacq1: Quote:
Originally Posted by coreystinson Information that I have suggests that at $5 / figure the RoC figures are being sold at or less than cost, even for the major retailers. I am not sure if Target is currently selling them for that but I believe someone was, and if not Target, they are probably matching it? It's great that they are selling a lot of product, but if the only way they can sell it is at a break-even or loss then that does not assist the future of the line in the eyes of any retailers.
CrimsonGuard101 has it *exactly* right. | Unless of course Hasbro lowers their wholesale costs for the line next year, which is likely something the retailers can easily demand from them in order to continue carrying the line at all. It's not going to get stocked at RoC levels, but that was unlikely to happen unless RoC was a runaway Transformers 1 - level success. Beyond that, the retailers and Hasbro are both aware that the economy has played a significant role in slower toy sales this year. With only one major movie tie-in next year (Iron Man 2), Hasbro's going to be scrambling to keep their shelf-space up and will no doubt be "pushing" the Joe line by whatever means they can muster.
Further, aren't action figures and similar toys generally considered "loss leaders" for Wal-Mart and similar retailers? LXL_Guy: No matter what Target I've been to in the area (about 6 of them), they always have the same stock. Never anything new on their pegs in terms of single carded figures. Only reason to go there is to get their exclusives if you can find those that is. coreystinson: Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmacq1 Unless of course Hasbro lowers their wholesale costs for the line next year, which is likely something the retailers can easily demand from them in order to continue carrying the line at all. | I imagine that will indeed happen. You are correct that the economy is causing the consumer to be a lot more careful about what they are buying. As such, a lot of repaints of old tools with little imagination invested into them are not likely to stimulate collector interest. It appears to me that Hasbro planned to milk the Rise of Cobra line with kitbashes and repaints through Christmas and on into 2010 and the consumer as said "no".
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 Further, aren't action figures and similar toys generally considered "loss leaders" for Wal-Mart and similar retailers? | The toy department is or has been used as a loss leader at times, so I have heard, although I couldn't say that they book it that way year-around - especially at Christmas, toys are surely an important part of their sales. You'd really have to ask this question of someone who worked at high level in one of the major retail chains - otherwise it's speculation or working off of possibly old information. vermillion21: Quote:
Originally Posted by LXL_Guy No matter what Target I've been to in the area (about 6 of them), they always have the same stock. Never anything new on their pegs in terms of single carded figures. Only reason to go there is to get their exclusives if you can find those that is. | ditto from my perspective CrimsonGuard101: Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmacq1 So whenever they say something you don't want to hear (That RoC figures are selling in decent numbers), you assume they must be lying.
That explains SO much. Nevermind it also paints the runners of the site as gullible, since they front-paged this news, but you probably didn't think that far ahead, did you?
Funny, I feel the same way when someone says, "Not a single RoC figure has sold in any store I've ever been in since they were released!" | You can criticize me as much as you want but that still does not change the fact that anyone can just come up and make up some number and say I work for so and so wihtout a shred of proof on it especially on the internet. And even more so in a heated topic such as this and of course if it fits your opinion its more proof you think your right.
Is it not to hard to believe that there could be a chance he does not even work for Target or at a minimum have any access to any such sales figures? I know when I worked for Best Buy a few years back you could be terminated if you were found to be putting out confidential company information especially sales figures/projections.
I think there is to much risk for him to do so if he cares for his job. All I am asking for is some proof its factual he is employeed by Target and the numbers are true. Again word of mouth is in the eye of the beholder.
Hey you owe me the 4 joes your supposed to be shipping me remember? errantentertainment: Hasbro needs to work on getting a weekly cartoon on the aire again. IMHO that alone will increase ROC sales to challenge those of Clone Wars. It's a tried and true forumula... DPrime: Hmm, those numbers really put stuff like the Sideshow or Convention exclusive numbers of 500-1500 into perspective!
Anyway, good news, if accurate, I suppose! kennywr22: I could care a less if you believe me or not crimson. I posted hard numbers from our system. Wether you believe them or not is your problem. I have no stock in hasbro so i have no reason to give fake numbers.If i was going to give fake numbers i would give an even higher number for the roc line. Bottom line is the sales have been decent since the line went to 5.99 and even more so since the middle of november. It's doing well placing a ways behind transformers and a little behind clone wars. The reason alot of people keep seeing the same waves at target is because they were very heavy the the first 2 waves and they had to sell down to a certain level at each store before they get re ordered. My store has just now hit the mark to get a new case shipped in. As a side note the asst b line are down to just under 50,000 total in stores and once they are gone that is it for those. The cost has changed to(about 4 weeks ago) it went to 5.00 each so they are getting a small porfit at least. I post these numbers for those who find it interesting to see how its going at target at least, not to hear a bunch of " i don't believe you crap". So i hope those who care enjoy the news. Zefram: Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101 it not to hard to believe that there could be a chance he does not even work for Target or at a minimum have any access to any such sales figures? I know when I worked for Best Buy a few years back you could be terminated if you were found to be putting out confidential company information especially sales figures/projections.
I think there is to much risk for him to do so if he cares for his job. All I am asking for is some proof its factual he is employeed by Target and the numbers are true. Again word of mouth is in the eye of the beholder. | So, your point is that someone can be fired for sharing this kind of info, so you want him to reveal details that could identify him and incriminate him further, increasing his chances of getting fired or sued by his company?
And remember people, CrimsonGuard101 has made it very clear he really hates when people quote my posts, so everyone please respect his feelings and don't quote this.  Steevy Maximus: Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmacq1 Unless of course Hasbro lowers their wholesale costs for the line next year, which is likely something the retailers can easily demand from them in order to continue carrying the line at all. It's not going to get stocked at RoC levels, but that was unlikely to happen unless RoC was a runaway Transformers 1 - level success. Beyond that, the retailers and Hasbro are both aware that the economy has played a significant role in slower toy sales this year. With only one major movie tie-in next year (Iron Man 2), Hasbro's going to be scrambling to keep their shelf-space up and will no doubt be "pushing" the Joe line by whatever means they can muster. | To go with that, around here anyway, NONE of the vehicles have seen any price drop at all. Walmart and the other retailers may be applying the old "razors/razor blades" approach to Joe:
Sell the figures at cost (or even a loss), but once consumers have "invested" into the line with basic figures, the more likely they are to purchase vehicles and accessories to go with them, especially at Christmas.
But, I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see prices return to 7.99-ish come next January when the "Christmas rush" is over. I've seen it with Transformers for years: markdown the deluxes to drive traffic to the store, mark them back up after Christmas.
I don't think ANYONE should be banking on Joe staying $5 for long after Christmas. gunslingercbr: Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101 You can criticize me as much as you want but that still does not change the fact that anyone can just come up and make up some number and say I work for so and so wihtout a shred of proof on it especially on the internet. And even more so in a heated topic such as this and of course if it fits your opinion its more proof you think your right.
Is it not to hard to believe that there could be a chance he does not even work for Target or at a minimum have any access to any such sales figures? I know when I worked for Best Buy a few years back you could be terminated if you were found to be putting out confidential company information especially sales figures/projections.
I think there is to much risk for him to do so if he cares for his job. All I am asking for is some proof its factual he is employeed by Target and the numbers are true. Again word of mouth is in the eye of the beholder.
Hey you owe me the 4 joes your supposed to be shipping me remember? | of course there is a chance that he doesn't, but the fact is we are discussing it under the assumption that he isn't lying and has access to this information, and there is no reason to believe he is lying unless it serves your own agenda, which has clearly been to pretend ROC is a huge failure and simply scream that everyone is lying like a child. we got it, you don't posses any semblance of logical reasoning, argument and debate skills, or maturity. do you have to hammer that home with every post? Shin Densetsu: Quote:
Originally Posted by kennywr22 I could care a less if you believe me or not crimson. I posted hard numbers from our system. Wether you believe them or not is your problem. I have no stock in hasbro so i have no reason to give fake numbers.If i was going to give fake numbers i would give an even higher number for the roc line. Bottom line is the sales have been decent since the line went to 5.99 and even more so since the middle of november. It's doing well placing a ways behind transformers and a little behind clone wars. The reason alot of people keep seeing the same waves at target is because they were very heavy the the first 2 waves and they had to sell down to a certain level at each store before they get re ordered. My store has just now hit the mark to get a new case shipped in. As a side note the asst b line are down to just under 50,000 total in stores and once they are gone that is it for those. The cost has changed to(about 4 weeks ago) it went to 5.00 each so they are getting a small porfit at least. I post these numbers for those who find it interesting to see how its going at target at least, not to hear a bunch of " i don't believe you crap". So i hope those who care enjoy the news. | News is news man, and we appreciate the fact that you are contributing some. Steevy Maximus: Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101 When you see more new corps figures then joes on a weekly basis ya kinda wonder why... | Because they are ridiculously cheap and Lanard gives Walmart great deals on them because Walmart buys so much of it.
Not to be an ass, but whenever someone tries to imply Lanard is doing a great job with the Corps, I just want to smack them!
For all the complaints about Hasbro's name reuse, mold reuse, and "lazyness", Lanard doesn't invest 1/100th the time or energy into its Corps line. They have had basically the same characters, same packaging, same molds on shelves since 2007. And some of the vehicles were on market as far back as 2003!
Corps sell because they are cheap. They are cheap because Lanard basically only produces new figure parts every 3-5 years. If Hasbro tried to only market 12 characters on shelves for 3 years straight, fans would would have Hasbro's ass in a sling in no time! CrimsonGuard101: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zefram So, your point is that someone can be fired for sharing this kind of info, so you want him to reveal details that could identify him and incriminate him further, increasing his chances of getting fired or sued by his company?
And remember people, CrimsonGuard101 has made it very clear he really hates when people quote my posts, so everyone please respect his feelings and don't quote this. | Sure why not, I was epxected to keep Best Buy infomration confidential at all times, I belive in being ethical about that, especially if I was still emplyeed by the company. Its the right thing to do no? The company has standards and if he is telling the truth or just trying to look cool then he may risk lossing that job to fess up it is factual, if not has nothing to loose especially if it is all false. But a lot to loose if it true and his company does not allow it. I tend to lean towards the I want to look cool and try and support this with some idea that I the Target guy know what I am posting just cause I can post it.
To answer your question as to why you don't over exaggerate the numbers, its so they seem believable. Take the middle road and not make seem over the top to get more buy in that it must be a reaosnable assumption.
All I am saying is anyone can use any number between 0 and whatever and say this many of this thing was sold and I work for so and so so you better believe me is down right wrong without substantial proof or official declartion that can be verified. Just saying "I give my word I am I promise" in todays world is not substantial enough. You may take what he says as truth because you stand behind his claim and use it for your own purposes to purport your perosnal belifs, I do not, not because it does not support my expectations, I just do not belive the numbers have a shred of factuality behind them given nothing has been presented to show 1) He is truly an employee and 2) The numbers are accurate from the Target system.
If I said I currenlty work for EDS as amanger and we currenlty have over 300 accounts making between 3 and 4 million anuualy in a specific department, how do you know I am not making it up? Do you just take my first comment about it as the truth? Or do you just say "Oh its just Crimson we don't beleive anything he says" which has been commented on before. It is all relative to who you want to listen too, or better yet agree with.
Prove me wrong. CrimsonGuard101: Quote:
Originally Posted by Shogi | If you believe everyone intends to always do right all the time everytime that makes sense. I am not that trusting, especially with the interwebs popullace.
It is not hard to pull off accurate predicitons like this, its just statisitcal anlysis in a test tube enviornment. We do not have another accurate source of corroboration to verify the data inputed into the experiment. There is also no control. You just have one source, even news agency do not use just one source for news reports if they intend to report facts trufully. Everything gets corroborated. Skylancer81: Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101 even news agency do not use just one source for news reports if they intend to report facts trufully. Everything gets corroborated. | That stopped being true of 90% of our news in the 80's.
With all the blah blah instant news reality tv crap we have now they never check anything like they used too. If they are proven wrong they post it on page 97 in tiny print with their retraction, or at 3:15am as an oh by the way we made a mistake on blah blah last year. Ash Talon: I find it sad that someone has to doubt kenny. What? He's making up random numbers on a continual basis? Cripes. What happened to having a little faith and trust in your fellow man, especially a fellow Joe collector?
So so sad. gunslingercbr: Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101 If you believe everyone intends to always do right all the time everytime that makes sense. I am not that trusting, especially with the interwebs popullace.
It is not hard to pull off accurate predicitons like this, its just statisitcal anlysis in a test tube enviornment. We do not have another accurate source of corroboration to verify the data inputed into the experiment. There is also no control. You just have one source, even news agency do not use just one source for news reports if they intend to report facts trufully. Everything gets corroborated. | that's an awfully long-winded way to say that you doubt it because it disproves your position. | All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:39 AM. | | Cool Stuff |   | |
