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my argument had nothing to do with the execution of the character at all.
| Allow me to play the game you enjoy so much.
You said new character design, the includes not only appearance but personality. If you look at the figure as a whole, you must include everything they're selling with this figure, that includes this new story.
If want to stick with your story, then I argue your statement is invalid altogether as quite a few people seem upset not only with his appearance but also is far too Vader story. gijoevscobra4ever: Total crap. I think a faceless silver mask is far scarier. Anything without a face would have been better.
Ugh!!!
Yay, we finally get a live action Joe movie
Nay, for this crap they're peddling. Melissa: Quote:
Originally Posted by darthdoug  The guy you live next to got dropped into a vat of acid by Hawk???
Whoa! | See you saw him too! Shin Densetsu: Also some of you are clamoring for a hood, for me, it's battle mask ALL THE WAY! Not this movie mask, but a battle mask, something that can protect his face as he leads his troops to battle to take on the joes, that's why I liked the original battle mask so much. And it looked cool.
Functioned to obscure identity, and for protection. Hell maybe he had gadgets in there for extra sensors and what not. Zartanman: You know, sometimes re creating an idea works. But the old saying is if it ain't broke don't fix it....
Well think about superhero movies/TV shows.. Out of all the Superman Shows that have come and gone... how many of them completely changed the character? How many of them "except smallville" Did not put him in his classic outfit?
The same goes for Batman.... There are some things that you can change.. like for instance it wasn't such a big deal that in the Batman movie they had the crook that killed his parents turn out to be Joker.
But you know they could have made Batmans suit look like a Real Life 6Foot Tall Bat... but they didn't.
I'm doing my best to hold out hope for this movie.. but it is quickly draining. Melissa: Quote:
Originally Posted by Troynos So now we have 3 versions of CC's origin that are far apart.
1 - Comic version, disillusioned used car salesman
3 - 1,000 year old snake-man
and the one that falls in the middle"
2 - the movie version
So what's the big deal? Looking at it, this kind of falls in the middle of the two origins of CC. In the cartoon he used a mask to hide his multi-eyed snake face. And in the comic he just used it to hide his appearance.
So now in the movie he's given a reason to wear a mask (disfigured) and has a more realistic origin, ex-special forces soldier. | 1,000 year old snake-man???
lol I dont want to know. I think? rob0213: Not sure what to think. It doesn't scream Cobra Commander to me. I think if it was not clear, I would like it more.
It will be interesting to see how this looks on sceen. It may look really bad, or pretty cool. The figure itself is kinda cool, though. gunslingercbr: Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks_Royel Allow me to play the game you enjoy so much.
You said new character design, the includes not only appearance but personality. If you look at the figure as a whole, you must include everything they're selling with this figure, that includes this new story.
If want to stick with your story, then I argue your statement is invalid altogether as quite a few people seem upset not only with his appearance but also is far too Vader story. | I can address the character design and the characteristic of the character separately because they are separate. that isn't playing a story, that is simply logic. I'm shocked that seems to be a foreign concept to you. arguing otherwise either represents a lack of honesty or intelligence. you decide. Hicks_Royel: Do you think there's a chance that he'll wear plain and simple hood over the form fitting plastic life support stuff?
No... No, I guess I didn't either. You know, he kinda reminds me of another reinvisioned oddity, Ultimate Deadpool. gunslingercbr: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zartanman All they did with those characters was put them in new clothes. Snake Eyes in all his versions had some kind of a visor, was in all black and usually had a sword.
Hawk just put on his General Clothes... but all in all the characters were the same.
My argument isn't about what the character is wearing... its that the whole CORE of the character has been changed. | Snake Eyes v.1 = no sword.
I am addressing the argument against the design of his outfit, not the character. by your logic, had they simply used the comic origin but put him in this outfit, you would like the outfit then. Melissa: It would be cool if this fig smelt bad. Like burnt toast! A.C.T.: With my expectations lower due to the mind-bottling changes, I kinda dig it. It really can't get any worse with Marlon being in it, so this is acceptable. F()ck it, its not my Joes but I'm hungry so I'll eat the sh!!t there shoveling me. Troynos: The other thing, neither the comics or the cartoon matched Cobra Commander's only true story, which is the filecard.
I'm sorry, but the filecards are really the only true canon when it comes to Joe, every thing else is just versions (like how the movie characters are a new version).
Joe is a toy first and formost, so the toy story is the true story.
YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Cobra Commander
It hints at a military background (personally led uprisings) and military knowledge.
So which of the 3 main CC origins fits closest to that? The movie one comes the closest. BigGrunt: the best looking figures are destro, snake eyes and baroness. Probably because they look like the comic toy. CC looks ridiculous. Thrown in some scary music in the movie and fake fans will love him. Zartanman: Quote:
Originally Posted by gunslingercbr Snake Eyes v.1 = no sword.
I am addressing the argument against the design of his outfit, not the character. by your logic, had they simply used the comic origin but put him in this outfit, you would like the outfit then. | True, SE V1 No Sword.
If they had used the comic origin he wouldn't need this outfit. It's really just the life support thing that bugs me, and the fact that his face looks like raw hamburger meat.
Other than that I don't care what clothes he is wearing. Hell an Evil dude in a corporate suit with a cobra logo tie would have worked fine for me. Troynos: Also, why would Cobra Commander be leading his forces into battle? He's the General, he sits in the back and orders others forward.
So what's he need face protection for? Troynos: Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGrunt the best looking figures are destro, snake eyes and baroness. Probably because they look like the comic toy. CC looks ridiculous. Thrown in some scary music in the movie and fake fans will love him. | Fake fans?? What the hell does that mean? NAJA EMPIRE: Joes and Star Wars are looking more and more alike (now CC and darth vader are similar) every new line. Eventually, Hasbro is going to release one toy figure and it will cover both Gi Joe and Star Wars movie characters. Now we just have to merge the cobra troopers to look more like Clone Troopers and we are all set. kneroh: I don't know, I think it's a pretty good looking figure. Some people just want to hate. Zartanman: You know.. you guys that are talking about what he might look like later could be right.
They are using nanite tech in this movie. If CC uses the nanites to repair his body/face, then he could in effect look like anyone he wanted... course then why would they need Zartan.. but still its a thought. starscream-99: In in the comic from the Cobra Commander/Tripwire comic 2 Pack he removes his hood and he has a this metal mask that kinda looks like the one on the card back. I'm not too thrilled about the fig. The has those tube things and his mask looks clear, but i'm my opinion CC is going to look good in the movie. gunslingercbr: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zartanman True, SE V1 No Sword.
If they had used the comic origin he wouldn't need this outfit. It's really just the life support thing that bugs me, and the fact that his face looks like raw hamburger meat.
Other than that I don't care what clothes he is wearing. Hell an Evil dude in a corporate suit with a cobra logo tie would have worked fine for me. | they still could have used this outfit and simply removed it as being for life support. like I said, I'm not defending the character change, I'm defending the design of the uniform as being pretty cool when judged on its own merits and the idea of changing the uniform design of Cobra Commander, while I certainly do not prefer it, as not being some violation of the character. TheLongestDay: Although I would have preferred the Helmet/Mirrored Faceplate because of the psychology behind it (anyone looking at/talking to CC sees themselves staring back) I do think this looks awesome and will fit in with the GI Joe movie Universe better.
...and as I said before-its gonna scare the crap outta kids! BILL: That is very funny. I guess we must face the fact that gi joe as we know it is no more. Very sad day indeed. Batmandk02: Two Words- PEG WARMER!!!! This is the sorriest piece of crap that I have seen. This CC needs to be spored and turned into a damn snake that way Hasbro can give us something else. Stupid ass producers of the movie made this CC and now the toyline has to follow up on it!!
CRAPTASTIC and and an utter TRAVISHAMOCKERY!!! Zoomie2001: I read somewhere that the classic hooded cobra commander reminded the director too much of the KKK... which is total crap for two reasons: Cobra Commander is a bad buy and his hood looks nothing like the KKK.
This design is obviously a rebranding attempt. I'm going to see this movie, but I'm not having unrealistic expectations. I'm going to try and watch it with a fresh eye. This ain't your father's GI Joe. And it's not your GI Joe. This is your kid's GI Joe. Plastered with flashy, but still fake looking, CG and bright colors. The reason they went away from that might be because most actors don't like wearing a mask for the whole movie. It's difficult to emote from under a hood for most actors because they're shitty actors to begin with.
Anyway, don't raise the bar too much for this movie. You say what it did for Star Wars fanatics with the Phantom Menace and Clone Wars... teemu8: total blaspheme! thats not cobra commander Melissa: gosh I sure hope he smells like burnt toast. lol bravo: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zartanman Anybody else get reminded of KRANG the Walking Brain dude from TMNT cartoon?... That's not CC IMO | i was going to just say that darthdoug: Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu Also some of you are clamoring for a hood, for me, it's battle mask ALL THE WAY! Not this movie mask, but a battle mask, something that can protect his face as he leads his troops to battle to take on the joes, that's why I liked the original battle mask so much. And it looked cool.
Functioned to obscure identity, and for protection. Hell maybe he had gadgets in there for extra sensors and what not. | Wasn't it true that Cobra Commander never wore the Battle Mask? That was actually Fred VI? I think in the story line it was Fred VI not the real CC. Anyone able to confirm? TheLongestDay: Quote:
Originally Posted by Zartanman You know.. you guys that are talking about what he might look like later could be right.
They are using nanite tech in this movie. If CC uses the nanites to repair his body/face, then he could in effect look like anyone he wanted... course then why would they need Zartan.. but still its a thought. | I like that idea alot...kinda Darkman style "I am everyone..and I am no one" A.C.T.: No Cobra insignias on any Cobra figure? Hmmm, Quite perplexing. Zartanman: Quote:
Originally Posted by darthdoug Wasn't it true that Cobra Commander never wore the Battle Mask? That was actually Fred VI? I think in the story line it was Fred VI not the real CC. Anyone able to confirm? | He means the Silver chrome Dome Battle mask.. not the Battle Armor CC. Tracker: Quote:
Originally Posted by The Commander attack of the squid man!!!
I dunno, it's not terrible, but I've dismissed this movie as having any resemblance of what I saw in the 80s or in the comics. Still, could be hope. | I do agree but i feel that the some stuff we as older fans recognize.
I see this as Hasbro's attempt to bridge the gap between us older fans and creating a new market. Let's face it if they wanted to they could have created new characters and a new story arch for the film and left us high and dry, but instead they "gave" us all the 25th stuff and a film, though set in a near future setting, still has characters we all know and love.
I wasn't expecting we would see a mask similar to what we all know, but we all have to keep in mind that this is and origins film and the mask my change by the end or sometime during the film. Zartanman: Quote:
Originally Posted by A.C.T. No Cobra insignias on any Cobra figure? Hmmm, Quite perplexing. | True but the GI JOE Battle Suits have them... so at least they are in the movie. Troynos: Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLongestDay Although I would have preferred the Helmet/Mirrored Faceplate because of the psychology behind it (anyone looking at/talking to CC sees themselves staring back) | They never used that aspect of it, or not enough, in any medium. It's a great reason for the mirrored mask. TheLongestDay: Quote:
Originally Posted by A.C.T. No Cobra insignias on any Cobra figure? Hmmm, Quite perplexing. | They are there!
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Originally Posted by darthdoug Wasn't it true that Cobra Commander never wore the Battle Mask? That was actually Fred VI? I think in the story line it was Fred VI not the real CC. Anyone able to confirm? | I think he wore it once just before he took over Cobra again and kicked all the peeps he didnt like in the ass Zartanman: Quote:
Originally Posted by Melissa | SPOT on!... even comes with the smell. MrClean: Quote:
Originally Posted by A.C.T. No Cobra insignias on any Cobra figure? Hmmm, Quite perplexing. | Neo-Viper has a red one on his arm. Cobra Commander has a silver one on his cloak. BigGrunt: maybe that was bad choice of words since some real gi joe fans do like it but I think the majority of people who watch this movie who have no idea of gi joe will watch this and love how CC looks, accelerator suits and ghostrider cobra soldiers and think this is what GI Joe is all about. I have no problem with hasbro changing it even though it looks stupid. darthdoug: Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLongestDay I like that idea alot...kinda Darkman style "I am everyone..and I am no one" | I was wondering who would be the first to put that as their Avatar.
So... for the record... the haters hate your Avatar. teemu8: Quote:
Originally Posted by gunslingercbr I can address the character design and the characteristic of the character separately because they are separate. that isn't playing a story, that is simply logic. I'm shocked that seems to be a foreign concept to you. arguing otherwise either represents a lack of honesty or intelligence. you decide. | here is some true honesty...YOU like Everything Hasbro does for the G.I.Joe brand (Toys or Movie) and then some....no matter how crappy it looks, you still defend and Love it! Melissa: but if the movie CC had a jacket made out of toast would we eat it? lol
I am not helping any? TheLongestDay: Quote:
Originally Posted by darthdoug I was wondering who would be the first to put that as their Avatar.
So... for the record... the haters hate your Avatar. | the haters hate by definition  TheLongestDay: Quote:
Originally Posted by Melissa but if the movie CC had a jacket made out of toast would we eat it? lol
I am not helping any? | Only if it had butter and Marmite spread on it!!!! darthdoug: I think they should have given the new Storm Shadow style to CC. He could have had a simple mask in blue or grey with the blue trench coat and called it a day.
Then stick to the basics on SS as he is a ninja not a sneaker-wearing rabbitt twin from the Matrix.
Everyone would have been happy. No KKK hood, no bubble boy, SS looking like a true ninja. All would have been good. Hicks_Royel: Quote:
Originally Posted by gunslingercbr I can address the character design and the characteristic of the character separately because they are separate. that isn't playing a story, that is simply logic. I'm shocked that seems to be a foreign concept to you. arguing otherwise either represents a lack of honesty or intelligence. you decide. | Nonsense, this characters personality is clearly being defined by his appearance. You cannot separate the two. This new look and new background is such a far cry from the original character that I can understand why folks are upset. Its too sci-fi for many. It's not like Dusty changing his clothes for the first time in twenty years. Which I think was part of your original comment.
I never attempted to play a story, I accused you and rightfully so of playing a game where you twist words to satisfy your argument.
And I take offense to your attempts to insult me when you've run out of further argument. You're clearly not as good at as I am.
You realize of course, that aside from having to watch over a handful of welding robots for the next two hours, and a quality meeting, I can keep this up without much hassle. I mean, I'm so unattached to anything provided by the Internet that sad insults and witless argument have no effect upon me. You're basically going to be arguing with a wall. Just a heads up if you want to continue, I find it amusing. |
