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Channing Tatum Not In GI Joe Retaliation As Much?

As suspected since the GI joe Retaliation Trailer premiered, it's sounds like Channing Tatum may not be in the movie much. You may recall that last summer, it was said that GI Joe Retaliation would be centered on Snake Eyes and Roadblock. Roadblock and Snake Eyes were featured in the trailer much more than Tatum, who isn't seen(in the trailer) after the desert ambush at night. This lead some fans to speculate that perhaps his character dies early on in the movie. Perhaps later trailers may shed more light.

In any case, CraveOnline got a chance to talk to Tatum 1 on 1 after a recent press conference, and Tatum spoke about Retaliation:

Are there girls in ‘G.I. Joe Retaliation’ who can kick your ass?

No. I don’t think so. Oh no, there was a French martial artist. I don’t know, I’ve never really seen her fight. I wasn’t really in any of the scenes that she was in so I don’t really know what her capabilities are. She’s insanely beautiful in her movements, just elegant like I don’t even know. I wish I would’ve stayed to get to watch her fight though, do her scenes. She’s a very good athlete for sure.

The Rock and Bruce Willis are awesome, but is it bittersweet that the big guys come in and take some of the lead?

No, no, not at all to me. I’m very, very happy with the arrangement for sure.

Is there room for the original team in the sequel?

You’re going to have to watch the movie on that one, sorry.

Well the trailer is awesome. Did Jon Chu bring any of his ‘Step Up’ style to it?

I’m sure. I love Jon. Jon has his finger on the pulse of, I don’t want to say pop, but of the youth. I think he brings a youthfulness and an edgy hipness to it that I think the first one didn’t have.

And you wanted the sequel to get darker and edgier, right?

Yeah, I don't know if it got darker. I just think it got edgier and more current and hip and it didn’t go so far into the CGI technical world. It really got more, I think Jon uses the words “boots on the ground” to describe it. More hand to hand stuff and just normal guns and normal soldiering.

Did you get to do the mountain repelling scene?

I did not. I wish I did. That would’ve been fun.


So 'Tankers, are you pleased with the direction Retaliation seems to have taken?
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PROVOST:
I hope his screen time is as limited as possible.
killeykahn:
I kind of see him showing up, in the movie's climax w/ a bunch of his service buddies, turned deputized joes and supporting Flint,et al. ina battle, or maybe in the movie's end, where someone would say to flint's team:"Hey, look who I found?" bam!, in comes Duke, a little bit banged up, but okay.
Jmacq1:
I still think they're actually going to kill him off, though I will easily concede that it's just as likely he spends the movie as a "guest" of Cobra.

Still, the reason I lean towards "kill" is that with the Rock already being pushed as the new leading man of the series (and DJ Cotrona's Flint supporting him in the "traditionally handsome guy" role), Tatum becomes irrelevant. There's no point in keeping him on the franchise payroll just to sideline him.

I hope it's true, just for the reactions it will undoubtedly evoke (both good and bad). Heck, even the previews suddenly had hypocritical fans that hated Tatum in the first movie complaining, "You can't kill Duke!" Plus I like the idea that Hasbro and Paramount may have finally just "moved past Duke." Turn him into a character like Hawk or Stalker who gets a new figure every couple of years instead of every other wave. Let other characters (And the ever-present Snake-Eyes of course) take the spotlight.
SonOfMindbender:
Was it something we said?
PROVOST:
I definitely was not one of those saying "You can't kill Duke!"

Matter of fact,hand me the side-arm....
bandonov:
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Was it something we said?
hahahaha... Maybe....
Jmacq1:
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Originally Posted by SonOfMindbender View Post
Was it something we said?
May very well be. This production seems bound and determined to try to win the "lapsed" fans back over, and given that Tatum's performance was one of the most disliked and derided parts of the first movie, what better way to show the fans "this ain't like the last G.I. Joe movie!" than by brutally killing off (arguably) the most hated part of the first movie in the first 10 minutes of the second?

In other words, Tatum's death would be fan-service. Like if George Lucas had Darth Vader slice Jar-Jar Binks in half in Episode III.
Troynos:
I'd love if they moved past Duke and let other characters get the spotlight.
Shipwreck:
Like the first film, but also there were more pieces to it that bugged me then duke. By what I've been seeing , reading and such.. it's more so been a pleasure to see coming together. As for duke having a death scene.. it goes far beyond the original meant to die scene in the original animated film from the late 80's. Or have we forgotten that a spear through the chest sends you into a coma instead of into a coffin? this is a great step for the franchise. what is wrong with drama?
bandonov:
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Originally Posted by Troynos View Post
I'd love if they moved past Duke and let other characters get the spotlight.
This....
VideoViper:
I am on board with Killing off Duke...
However
If they wanted to keep him... Kill him off Joe style, then at the end of the movie the Commander walks into a Jail Cell, Duke is captive, The Commander says something like "We have unfinished business between us." or "The information you provided proofed useful, You have earned your freedom."
A.V.A.C.:
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Originally Posted by PROVOST View Post
I definitely was not one of those saying "You can't kill Duke!"

Matter of fact,hand me the side-arm....
Save some for me.....


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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
May very well be. This production seems bound and determined to try to win the "lapsed" fans back over, and given that Tatum's performance was one of the most disliked and derided parts of the first movie, what better way to show the fans "this ain't like the last G.I. Joe movie!" than by brutally killing off (arguably) the most hated part of the first movie in the first 10 minutes of the second?

In other words, Tatum's death would be fan-service. Like if George Lucas had Darth Vader slice Jar-Jar Binks in half in Episode III.

Oh yeah, slicing Duke in half? Yeah, that's much better!


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I'd love if they moved past Duke and let other characters get the spotlight.
Like Snake Eyes!!!
1SGHauser:
I think his comments pretty much sum up that the original team will not be in a sequel and I think it's safe to assume that he dies.

Hasbro wanted to kill Duke off back in the animated movie but the backlash would have been too much, as it was with Optimus Prime in the Transformers movie. But with all the hate dumped on Tatum from the first movie I think Hasbro is going back to the "Lets focus on newer characters by killing older ones off" well and are making room for new toys.

I love Duke... clearly... But Channing Tatum with his perma-goatee and hip-hop linguistics do not make up the attributes of Duke.

I'm looking forward to this movie. I just wish they went reboot with the core characters and less flashy tech and started the Joe franchise anew.
Jmacq1:
Well, like I said earlier...I don't think Duke as a character is going to disappear from the G.I. Joe franchise, but I could see him being pushed to "second tier status" for a while. He's been the poster boy for the franchise pretty much since the Joe vs. Cobra relaunch in the early 2000's, and it hasn't seemed to really catch on. Maybe Hasbro's thinking that they can shift focus to Flint (who is almost as iconic as Duke already), Lady Jaye, and Roadblock, at least for a couple years. Snake-Eyes, of course, remains in his all-but-unassailable position as "most popular character."

Don't get me wrong, Hasbro's still going to crank out tons of variations of certain characters, I'm just thinking that aside from Snake-Eyes, who those certain characters are might get shuffled up a bit. Maybe we get Arctic/Scuba/Ninja Flint instead of Arctic/Scuba/Ninja Duke. If you think about it, it'd kind of be like how Sunbow started off with Duke and Scarlett kind of "in the lead" and then shifted to feature Flint and Lady Jaye more heavily later on.
PROVOST:
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If you think about it, it'd kind of be like how Sunbow started off with Duke and Scarlett kind of "in the lead" and then shifted to feature Flint and Lady Jaye more heavily later on.
Kind of like Archie and Betty,then Veronica and Reggie.

Only Veronica was double-dipping with the two males and Reggie would take Betty as a consolation prize sometimes.
Caravankidd:
Less Channing Tatum is sure making this movie sound even better.

To be honest I was never much of a Duke fan so I'm glad some other Joe characters are getting the spotlight instead of Duke. Topped off with I've never been all that impressed with Channing Tatum as an actor because he just lacks the charisma that would make his characters likable to me.
DrKain:
The only way I would approve of them killing anyone is if they use the same actors from the first movie. Plus, if you are going to kill Duke, you need to kill Ripcord, Scarlett, Stone, Heavy Duty, Breaker, Snake-Eyes, and Hawk. Yes, that is the entire cast from the last movie.
lance858a:
I hope the Wayans brothers come in at the last minute to save the day.
Darkfire:
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The only way I would approve of them killing anyone is if they use the same actors from the first movie. Plus, if you are going to kill Duke, you need to kill Ripcord, Scarlett, Stone, Heavy Duty, Breaker, Snake-Eyes, and Hawk. Yes, that is the entire cast from the last movie.
Kill Snake Eyes and Scarlett... what you talking bout Willis?
PrivateShake:
This is no suprise. Tatum was on set for 1/5 the time that all the other actors were.
whitefox360:
I think it would be great if "duke" was a rank, myself. Same thing they just did with cc in the comic. Tatum's character held the callsign, he's dead, someone else gets it...maybe roadblock for his acts of courage.

Nothing against new characters, It would just be a shame to off the lines main guy because of a casting directors stupidity.
CobraCommandr:
Although I don't hate the actor playing him as much as everyone else, Duke died in the 80s movie (the coma thing was a joke) and I am fine with him dying in this movie. They need a new leader though, I think I heard Flint is in this movie, but I don't think they play him up to be an officer to lead, it feels like Roadblock is the team leader and I don't like that. I love Roadblock, just not as team leader. No Hawk in this one, or so we assume, but they need to explain a little what happened to all these older Joes from ROC. My understanding is Bruce Willis was there for only a short time and because of that, he probably only has a few good scenes and he's done. Unless I am wrong about Flint, they need a team leader.
CobraCommandr:
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I think it would be great if "duke" was a rank, myself. Same thing they just did with cc in the comic. Tatum's character held the callsign, he's dead, someone else gets it...maybe roadblock for his acts of courage.

Nothing against new characters, It would just be a shame to off the lines main guy because of a casting directors stupidity.
I hear ya', but Cobra Commander is just the Commander of Cobra, the old CC's name is unknown, his identity's secret. When he fell, anyone who took up the throne became the new Cobra Commander and in this case, it was Krake.
Jay West:
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Well, like I said earlier...I don't think Duke as a character is going to disappear from the G.I. Joe franchise, but I could see him being pushed to "second tier status" for a while. He's been the poster boy for the franchise pretty much since the Joe vs. Cobra relaunch in the early 2000's, and it hasn't seemed to really catch on. Maybe Hasbro's thinking that they can shift focus to Flint (who is almost as iconic as Duke already), Lady Jaye, and Roadblock, at least for a couple years. Snake-Eyes, of course, remains in his all-but-unassailable position as "most popular character."

Don't get me wrong, Hasbro's still going to crank out tons of variations of certain characters, I'm just thinking that aside from Snake-Eyes, who those certain characters are might get shuffled up a bit. Maybe we get Arctic/Scuba/Ninja Flint instead of Arctic/Scuba/Ninja Duke. If you think about it, it'd kind of be like how Sunbow started off with Duke and Scarlett kind of "in the lead" and then shifted to feature Flint and Lady Jaye more heavily later on.
I could see this. I really don't care so much what they do with Duke. I guess it comes from years of watching genre movies, reading comics, and reading sci fi/fantasy books. I know that even if they kill him that he can easily come back in these type of movies later on if there is a need or desire by the creators. Not to mention that there will always be Duke in some aspect of the property whether it is toy, cartoon, comic, or movie.

My personal preference is that they just have him captured or injured so that if they do need him later (if this particular continuity continues) he is much easier to access. But even if they kill him it is easy in a fantasy that includes clones, holograms, shapeshifters, and super ninjas to bring him back if needed.
AlleyViper47:
I would set up the first scene of the movie where a Duke wakes up and the first movie was just a dream.
Iok:
What you have to keep in mind is that there will be people seeing this who've never seen RoC. I know that may sound like it's hard to believe but it happens (a bunch of kids my daughter knows all went to see the third Twilight movie without seeing the others, so go figure...)

That presents a bit of a problem if Duke is presented as the hero and is then killed-off, as it not only confuses them but also lacks any real impact. Yes, some directors could pull that kind of thing off but they're few and far between.

My take is that Duke will either - as has been said - show-up at the end with reinforcements or will be comatose/captured and then rescued.

And yes, this movie's Flint and Lady Jaye aren't the same as the ARAH continuity characters. I get the impression they're both rookies Roadblock takes under his wing.
XAMOT:
Well looks like Duke's gonna go into a Coma...for the rest of the film.
Zoomie2001:
The only problem I can see with killing off Channing Tatum is that this is the only reason my fiance went to go see the first GI Joe movie with me. With Channing gone... well, not sure if I can convince her to go. Oh, well.
SonOfMindbender:
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The only problem I can see with killing off Channing Tatum is that this is the only reason my fiance went to go see the first GI Joe movie with me. With Channing gone... well, not sure if I can convince her to go. Oh, well.
Bring a date.
DrKain:
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Kill Snake Eyes and Scarlett... what you talking bout Willis?
Hey, they killed off Covergirl like nothing, so killing Scarlett means nothing to me.
wyojoe:
I'm going to put my money on this classic plot-line:

After the desert battle we get, "OMG, Duke is in a coma!"
Then at the end of the movie he amazingly comes out of it to lead the team again in GIJ3 (Can't have a franchise these days without a trilogy).

Anyone ready to start the bet?
thairestauranteur:
Considering that this is not a reboot and just some artistically reinterpreted sequal to the RoC; therefore, I don't expect too much.

Goldner and the rest of the stooges at Hasbro HQ seem hell bent on making Joe something it never was. Somehow bend a 80s action cartoon to the new young hip and cool generation of 2012.

Just because the Rock is in it does not say it is going to be very good. Same goes with Willis.

Tatum was a terrible Duke but it is only because the story was terrible. With the continuation of the President Zartan saga, all I have to say is that I predicted this storyline 2 years ago and I am sorry to see that Hasbro will not disappoint.

As I have said in earlier posts, I will remain as balanced on the fence as I can. That is until until opening weekend. This is because we will be able to tell by that time if the movie will be any good because the studio will either let the critics screen it before opening night or not. If they do not let critics have a pre-opening night screening to make their reviews, it is because Paramount chiefs know this movie is not very good and they will keep the critics out until opening night in the effort to cash in on opening night sales.

The studios almost never let critics review a rotten tomato stinker before opening night because it drastically harms sales.

So we will see come the week of June 29th.

Somehow I think
Jmacq1:
You're right. Hasbro and Paramount should just give up and let Joe die completely rather than dare even THINK about trying to market it to anyone other than thirtysomething toy collectors.
Jmacq1:
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Originally Posted by Zoomie2001 View Post
The only problem I can see with killing off Channing Tatum is that this is the only reason my fiance went to go see the first GI Joe movie with me. With Channing gone... well, not sure if I can convince her to go. Oh, well.
Show her some shirtless pics of the Rock and/or DJ Cotrona.
thairestauranteur:
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You're right. Hasbro and Paramount should just give up and let Joe die completely rather than dare even THINK about trying to market it to anyone other than thirtysomething toy collectors.

If they could do it like the reboot of Star Trek, I couldn't object at all. But as Han Solo said, "I got a bad feeling about this..."
Jay West:
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Originally Posted by thairestauranteur View Post

Goldner and the rest of the stooges at Hasbro HQ seem hell bent on making Joe something it never was. Somehow bend a 80s action cartoon to the new young hip and cool generation of 2012.
Not to be mean, but this makes no sense. Hasbro is going to keep trying to make Joe relevant to today's kids. Why wouldn't they? Eventually you will die. Hasbro's job is to make sure GI Joe outlives you.
Gungho-joe:
I just have this feeling that he will show up in the end of the movie with Joe reinforcements to save the day. Wasnt it posted somewhere that the director said that the last scenes of the movie will be straight of the 80's type of end? I remember reading that but not sure where. My boys and I watched Arise Serpentor Arise the other night and it got me thinking are they going to have a battle for Washington type ending where Duke and a whole batch of new Joes show up and beat back Cobra. Just my opinion, just have to wait and see.
Shin Densetsu:
I can see Duke getting killed off. Why?

In 87, killing off Optimus Prime eventually killed the Transformers G1 toyline. By the time Optimus was brought back in the toon, the damage was done, whereas in Europe and Japan, Transformers actually continued. Some of the toyswhere eventually brought over in the US repainted and gutted as part of the Generation 2 line. Duke, back in the 80's was a fan favorite cartoon character.

Now as for GI Joe NOW, especially going by ROC, Duke, in the movie-verse may be seen as expendable. Tatum and Miller took most of the flack for bad acting, and most kids in my experience wanted a figure not of Duke, but Snake Eyes.

Sometimes core characters with high brand recognition are left out, it's happened before with Hasbro. Bumblebee in Transformers Animated*, was originally going to be Hot Shot. However Derrick Wyatt wanted Bumbebee in and thanks to Transformers 1 by Michael Bay, Bumblebee was a household name once more.

*Transformers Animated was originally conceived years prior to the Michael Bay movies, starting in 04 or 05 under the name "Transformers Heroes". There is an animation design for Hot Shot and there was even a resin prototype for an Animated figure of him.

You may recall that up until Transformers 1 in 2007, Bumblebee had largely been absent from any Transformers cartoon since G1. Instead there were similar characters like Hot Shot and Cheetor(both of whom seemed influenced by Hot Road as well).

Hasbro's probably just going with the flow. Tatum wasn't popular in ROC, so let's go with Snake Eyes instead, and The Rock is popular to begin with, won't hurt to go with him either.
Deftones1982:
Even if he's killed in the first 5 minutes, Hasbro will still make 20 movie 2 versions of Duke in the first 2 waves. Maybe they will give the nickname to some one else, like they did with I believe Sneak Peak in the comics?
Kitchen Viper:
Yknow, if Hasbro never tried to retool GI Joe to keep it contemporary, We'd never have had ARAH to begin with. Heck, we never would have had the Adventure Team.

I think at least the circumstantial evidence points to Duke Taking a backseat as the "Face" of GI Joe for a while.Supposedly one of the reasons "Renegades" went on hiatus was phasing out Duke to be in line with "Retaliation"... Honestly, I think Hasbro has put too much emphasis on Duke since the new sculpt era. I'd much prefer a more ensemble approach. I'll be glad to see Duke take a break, at least for a little while. I'm sure he won't be gone forever.
Scroll142:
Duke.
Steevy Maximus:
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
Well, like I said earlier...I don't think Duke as a character is going to disappear from the G.I. Joe franchise, but I could see him being pushed to "second tier status" for a while. He's been the poster boy for the franchise pretty much since the Joe vs. Cobra relaunch in the early 2000's, and it hasn't seemed to really catch on. Maybe Hasbro's thinking that they can shift focus to Flint (who is almost as iconic as Duke already), Lady Jaye, and Roadblock, at least for a couple years. Snake-Eyes, of course, remains in his all-but-unassailable position as "most popular character."
And to be fair, Hasbro did do this with Transformers. Back in the Unicron Trilogy days, the main Autobots were Hot Shot, Optimus Prime and Jetfire, and Red Alert to an extent. Following the movie, Jetfire and Red Alert have pretty much disappeared aside from collector stuff.

But I've been saying for a while that Hasbro's core character insistence never really jived well with the GI Joe brand as a whole, and I'm glad to see a change in policy (after ten freakin' YEARS) to spotlight other characters.
We've been force fed the same guys since 2002, about time we see some sort of change up.

As is, I never understood the decree that "Duke is THE GI Joe character" when, after watching Sunbow almost every night for the last several weeks on Hub, Flint got more frequent air time than Duke. I was thrilled to see characters like Flint, MAjor Bludd, Roadblock and Lady Jaye get some major push in the 25th series, and hopefully we'll see Hasbro focus on other characters for a while (seems like Destro might have gotten a bump to the side for a while as well)
ponygt:
I really wish Hasbro would take the same approach they used to. Wave X comes out and sells thur the year. The characters from wave X are on all the merchandise...pillows, toothbrushes, EVERYTHING has them on it. Then Wave Y comes out and NO repeat characters from Wave X are among them. Now the spotlight shines on new Joes/Cobras. Man it was so simple back then
Sunbow_Joe84:
What you have to remember is that both Dennis quaid and Joseph gordon levitt spent little time on set during the filming of rise of cobra. Yet they were clearly heavily featured in the film. I don't think outright kill him off. I can see him recruiting mouse havok grunt tunnel rat and clutch. Meanwhile roadblock and company take the fight to cobra. All the while snake eyes and jinx are on a mission to clear gi joe's name. We'll have a huge battle at the end where all three teams come together. Final scene is zartan being exposed.
DrKain:
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You're right. Hasbro and Paramount should just give up and let Joe die completely rather than dare even THINK about trying to market it to anyone other than thirtysomething toy collectors.
I'd rather they did then let the Joes name was muddied with another piece of **** movie. It is bad enough they have ruined Transformers forever, but at least let GI Joe have whats left of its dignity.
vermillion21:
If Duke dies in the movie = PURE JOY!!!


I frakking HATE Duke.
nero9000:
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In 87, killing off Optimus Prime eventually killed the Transformers G1 toyline. By the time Optimus was brought back in the toon, the damage was done, whereas in Europe and Japan, Transformers actually continued.
Oh, please, revisionist history at it's finest. The toyline continued longer after Prime's death than it had before it. Crap figures killed the toyline, nothing else, and even then it was only temporary.

But I'm all for taking the TF-route of giving different characters more chance on the spotlight, and not just the same 5 to 7 guys. Bring the focus to other well-established characters with a lot of potential, like Beach-Head, Doc, Falcon, Spirit...

Cobra-wise it's a bit harder. I don't think many people would trade CC, Destro and Baroness for Serpentor, Mindbender and Zarana?
Shin Densetsu:
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Oh, please, revisionist history at it's finest. The toyline continued longer after Prime's death than it had before it. Crap figures killed the toyline, nothing else, and even then it was only temporary.

But I'm all for taking the TF-route of giving different characters more chance on the spotlight, and not just the same 5 to 7 guys. Bring the focus to other well-established characters with a lot of potential, like Beach-Head, Doc, Falcon, Spirit...

Cobra-wise it's a bit harder. I don't think many people would trade CC, Destro and Baroness for Serpentor, Mindbender and Zarana?
Revisionist history? Transformers in the US continued until 1990, by that time we got Action Masters, and this was after Micromasters, Pretenders, Sparkabots and other attempts by Hasbro to revitalize the brand in light of killing of Prime. They only killed Prime to replace him and the core cast with the likes of Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Kup, et al, whomever appeared in the movie, thinking kids would latch onto the new generation of Autobots. They underestimated the appeal and fan following that Optimus had. They didn't expect the backlash from kids and parents alike. Killing Optimus was ahead of its time for all the wrong reasons.

The line did last 4 years after the death of Prime in the US BUT it lacked the strength and sales of the 84-85 lines. Sales were dwindling by the time the line died in the US. If the death of Prime in the 86 movie wasn't such a mistake in Hasbro's eyes they wouldn't have been afraid to kill Duke off in the 87 GI Joe movie, nor would they have brought back Prime in the cartoon, nor would they be afraid to kill him and leave him dead in subsequent Transformers cartoons and movies. TakaraTomy is different in that they killed Optimus left and right, and that Rodimus was actually well received in Japan.

Saying Optimus' death had nothing to do with the G1 line eventually folding in the US is like saying Retaliation is different from ROC for any other reason aside from the fact that Hasbro wanted it to be way better and different than ROC.
Jmacq1:
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I'd rather they did then let the Joes name was muddied with another piece of **** movie. It is bad enough they have ruined Transformers forever, but at least let GI Joe have whats left of its dignity.
Yeeeah, if a few billion dollars worth of movies and merchandise in the past 6 years is "ruined forever" then I sincerely hope G.I. Joe gets "ruined forever" in exactly the same way.

You clearly haven't got the faintest freaking idea what constitutes "success" for a franchise. Hint: It involves making money. "Dignity?" We're talking about little plastic men here. They don't have feelings to be hurt.
 

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