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11-11-2018, 11:29 PM | #20631 |
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I know I’m in the minority, but I enjoyed Solo and Rogue One much more than either of the new trilogy films. (Although I didnt hate them as much as some others)
Rogue One gave me some of what I most wanted to see in a SW spin off.... nuts and bolts, OT era Empire vs Rebellion action. The only part I didn’t really care for was the Vader bit at the end of the film... not because it wasn’t cool, but because it was totally weird against the rest of the movie. We’ve been rooting for the rebels the entire film and just watched the main characters die, and now we are supposed to cheer for Vader chopping everybody up? It would have worked better if he had been dispatching the main cast rather that some rebel red shirts. But I’m a weirdo and my ultimate fantasy SW spin off has always been something really close to “A Bridge Too Far” or “Saving Private Ryan” but with the Empire vs the Rebellion. I’ve wanted to see something like that since I was a kid. Or maybe something like “Stalingrad” or “The Bridge” about the last ditch hold out Storm Troopers on Coruscant... Quote:
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I suspect, as many do, that the series or trilogy (who can keep track) that the GoT crew is developing may very well be Old Republic. Time will tell. It would most likely be a series of figures outside the OT that I’d be hot to collect. Quote:
While I do prefer RO and Solo over the sequel trilogy but both RO and Solo had production and editing issues, and were not as great as they should've been. Solo felt too much like a pilot to a TV or a Star Trek movie, they killed off to many of the new characters way too soon, and it had a weak mcguffin and no true villain. The movie also suffered from not enough action(especially Imperial), while Rogue maybe had too much action.
Solo was supposed to come out immediately following TFA while the Solo character was still fresh to the general audience(imo having Ford have his way in offing the character I don't think helped the sequel franchise either) but was pushed back. My problem with Solo in TFA wasn’t as much how or that he died, but how he was living. I really didn’t care for how the OT characters ended up nor did we get anything in the story to bridge that 30 year gap to explain it all. It just seemed like s lot of lazy writing that they tried to compensate for with OT nostalgia.
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11-12-2018, 12:19 AM | #20632 |
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I liked where the OT characters are when the new trilogy begins. Things didn't go well after the New Republic was founded in this galaxy far, far away where things rarely go well. It made tons of sense to me.
Plus, you are forgetting that TFA was specifically showing history repeat itself. That was the point to the whole flick. TLJ is the point in the story's arc where the characters break that loop and begin to strike a new course and a build a new future. Rogue One is just a story of great sacrifice and hope, while Solo is an old-fashioned action-adventure yarn. |
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11-12-2018, 09:21 AM | #20633 |
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I liked where the OT characters are when the new trilogy begins. Things didn't go well after the New Republic was founded in this galaxy far, far away where things rarely go well. It made tons of sense to me.
Plus, you are forgetting that TFA was specifically showing history repeat itself. That was the point to the whole flick. TLJ is the point in the story's arc where the characters break that loop and begin to strike a new course and a build a new future. Rogue One is just a story of great sacrifice and hope, while Solo is an old-fashioned action-adventure yarn. History repeating itself is ok, one could argue that A New Hope paralleled many classic stories of The Chosen Hero, but what kept me rolling me eyes was how convenient everything was, We start out on this is outer rim desolate planet with our young hero and it just happens to be where the Falcon ended up, under a tarp. Moz just has Luke's, or technically Anakin's, old light saber with the answer, That's a story for another time. Not to beat a dead horse but, to me, TFA awakens just felt like the writers thought flashing a bunch of OT artifacts would dazzle us with nostalgia. I remember the only part of the movie I really enjoyed was Rey walking up to Luke and handing him that light saber. I remember thinking to my self, ok we got all of that out of the way, now the next movie can be it's own thing and we can get this new trilogy moving along. On a positive note the production quality and visuals were great, one would expect that from Disney, and the characters were very likeable and endearing but again the film just felt like it relied of OT reference without actually bridging the story from then until now. Solo wasn't a bad movie but when you make a film in a franchise that up until now has been a saga about a universe wide civil war with ancient knights dueling against such a back drop a train heist movie just falls a little short of the drama we've come to know from Star Wars. I'm just not sure it was the best concept for a film. Sure RO didn't have any true Jedi until Vader's arrival at the end, but it was part of the saga narrative.
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11-12-2018, 11:02 AM | #20634 |
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I get that things didn't go well, but I would have liked to know the who, what, why, when, where, and how etc. How did the New Order come together, etc. It's just such a leap from the end of RotJ I felt that some catch up would have been expected.
History repeating itself is ok, one could argue that A New Hope paralleled many classic stories of The Chosen Hero, but what kept me rolling me eyes was how convenient everything was, We start out on this is outer rim desolate planet with our young hero and it just happens to be where the Falcon ended up, under a tarp. Moz just has Luke's, or technically Anakin's, old light saber with the answer, That's a story for another time. Not to beat a dead horse but, to me, TFA awakens just felt like the writers thought flashing a bunch of OT artifacts would dazzle us with nostalgia. I remember the only part of the movie I really enjoyed was Rey walking up to Luke and handing him that light saber. I remember thinking to my self, ok we got all of that out of the way, now the next movie can be it's own thing and we can get this new trilogy moving along. On a positive note the production quality and visuals were great, one would expect that from Disney, and the characters were very likeable and endearing but again the film just felt like it relied of OT reference without actually bridging the story from then until now. Solo wasn't a bad movie but when you make a film in a franchise that up until now has been a saga about a universe wide civil war with ancient knights dueling against such a back drop a train heist movie just falls a little short of the drama we've come to know from Star Wars. I'm just not sure it was the best concept for a film. Sure RO didn't have any true Jedi until Vader's arrival at the end, but it was part of the saga narrative. Coincidence is how movies work. Seriously. Analyze almost any flick and you'll find plenty of things just happening at the right time to move things along. In this universe though, the force is helping direct things, so I can buy the seemingly abundance of coincidental. Remember too that they're working from an overall map of the trilogy. It's all leading somewhere and each movie in the trilogy plays a specific role in this story. I can dig standalone movies like Solo that don't do much beyond tell a specific tale and entertain. Honestly, this is probably because I don't look at Star Wars as some sort of Sacred Cow. So long as the movies entertain me like they did when I was a kid, I'm good. |
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11-12-2018, 12:33 PM | #20635 |
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Actually, man, I think you brought it back on-topic. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for you. Maybe check a dedicated SW toy site/forum like Rebelscum or Jedi Temple Archives.
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11-12-2018, 09:59 PM | #20636 |
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I get what you're saying and some explanation as to how things got where they are would be nice, but I think it was needed more in TLJ to explain why the New Repub was suddenly dunzo. They could have easily had an opening montage of the First Order's rise/onslaught in either movie.
Coincidence is how movies work. Seriously. Analyze almost any flick and you'll find plenty of things just happening at the right time to move things along. In this universe though, the force is helping direct things, so I can buy the seemingly abundance of coincidental. Remember too that they're working from an overall map of the trilogy. It's all leading somewhere and each movie in the trilogy plays a specific role in this story. I can dig standalone movies like Solo that don't do much beyond tell a specific tale and entertain. Honestly, this is probably because I don't look at Star Wars as some sort of Sacred Cow. So long as the movies entertain me like they did when I was a kid, I'm good. Don’t get me started on TLJ. Lol. Not to open that crazy bag of cats, but I was never and EU fan. I started reading Zahn the day after I saw it. I just needed an alternative to what I had just seen. I just watched 3, one hour video critiques by the same fellow about the poor writing- but that’s a conversation of for another thread. Let’s hope for the best for the trilogy’s finally. While I’m at it can I tell you how nice it is to have a discussion with someone with opposing viewpoints on modern Star Wars films and have the conversation not get defensive. Always a pleasure Smokebellew. If you have the time, like 5 hours, YouTube Critique of the Last Jedi. It will be the first video to come up. Three vids of about 1:30-1:50 in length each. After I listened to them I no longer felt alone in my opinion.
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11-13-2018, 12:53 PM | #20637 |
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Well met. Don’t get me started on TLJ. Lol. Not to open that crazy bag of cats, but I was never and EU fan. I started reading Zahn the day after I saw it. I just needed an alternative to what I had just seen. I just watched 3, one hour video critiques by the same fellow about the poor writing- but that’s a conversation of for another thread. Let’s hope for the best for the trilogy’s finally. While I’m at it can I tell you how nice it is to have a discussion with someone with opposing viewpoints on modern Star Wars films and have the conversation not get defensive. Always a pleasure Smokebellew. If you have the time, like 5 hours, YouTube Critique of the Last Jedi. It will be the first video to come up. Three vids of about 1:30-1:50 in length each. After I listened to them I no longer felt alone in my opinion. I tried to watch that critique, but the problem for me is that it's obviously from a fanboy's perspective and that's a perspective I just don't have. Our opinions of anything we grew up with is beholden in large part to a child's perspective and years of living with that thing, and that's a real problem when it comes to anything new based on that thing. I love how people who grew up with the OT and those who grew up with the prequels have differing opinions on the merits of the films. Children of the OT tend to despise the prequels while those who saw them as a kid have a completely different perspective and a much kinder opinion of them. It just goes to show how truly dependent our current views on such matters are on our childhood. Personally, while TLJ isn't my favorite SW flick overall, it has some of my favorite moments from any SW movie. I'm sick to death of Jedis and Skywalkers, so for me, it did a necessary thing in separating the past from the future. One thing I dug in particular was the explanation of how the First Order was able to rise so rapidly and amass such an overwhelming army/navy and that those forces have always been around as the root cause of so much suffering. I also liked the truth about the Jedi and the hints to the true nature of the force. I think that TLJ has had the most realistic portrayal of the characters too. I mean, if you can buy that such characters could even really exist in the first place, I think TLJ had them act in a believable way. Take Luke, for instance, after going through all the shit he's been through, he would be a curmudgeon who's essentially lost his faith. I think the most unsettling thing to long-term fans though is the ambiguity it displays regarding "dark & light," good and bad, hero and villain. I loved that, personally. It's like SW finally graduated from basic mythology to a more advanced and modern system of thought that better reflects the actual experience of being alive (which is what Joe Campbell said mythology is about when asked if myths were trying to find the meaning of life). Anyway, there's room in this world for differing opinions about both inconsequential & consequential shit and I hope people start remembering that. |
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11-13-2018, 08:28 PM | #20638 |
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Anyone able to purchase a Sandcrawler through the offical Disney link?
I can't get it to work. https://www.shopdisney.com/sandcrawl...r-wars-1496522 |
11-13-2018, 10:29 PM | #20639 |
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Ditto. People forget that any opinion that doesn't jive with their own isn't somehow invalid. Can you imagine how boring a world would be where everyone agrees on everything? It would be like living in a cult.
I tried to watch that critique, but the problem for me is that it's obviously from a fanboy's perspective and that's a perspective I just don't have. Our opinions of anything we grew up with is beholden in large part to a child's perspective and years of living with that thing, and that's a real problem when it comes to anything new based on that thing. I love how people who grew up with the OT and those who grew up with the prequels have differing opinions on the merits of the films. Children of the OT tend to despise the prequels while those who saw them as a kid have a completely different perspective and a much kinder opinion of them. It just goes to show how truly dependent our current views on such matters are on our childhood. Personally, while TLJ isn't my favorite SW flick overall, it has some of my favorite moments from any SW movie. I'm sick to death of Jedis and Skywalkers, so for me, it did a necessary thing in separating the past from the future. One thing I dug in particular was the explanation of how the First Order was able to rise so rapidly and amass such an overwhelming army/navy and that those forces have always been around as the root cause of so much suffering. I also liked the truth about the Jedi and the hints to the true nature of the force. I think that TLJ has had the most realistic portrayal of the characters too. I mean, if you can buy that such characters could even really exist in the first place, I think TLJ had them act in a believable way. Take Luke, for instance, after going through all the shit he's been through, he would be a curmudgeon who's essentially lost his faith. I think the most unsettling thing to long-term fans though is the ambiguity it displays regarding "dark & light," good and bad, hero and villain. I loved that, personally. It's like SW finally graduated from basic mythology to a more advanced and modern system of thought that better reflects the actual experience of being alive (which is what Joe Campbell said mythology is about when asked if myths were trying to find the meaning of life). Anyway, there's room in this world for differing opinions about both inconsequential & consequential shit and I hope people start remembering that. I have to agree with your first two paragraphs and of course, you final line. Nothing made me more aware of your point than this webpage. I guess I assumed that any Joe fan would have gotten in to the line in ‘82 and would feel the same about later aspects of the brand as a I do. As I read posts here it became apparent to me that to younger kids, Cobra La or Sonic Force would mean to them what the OG 16 ment to me. So I can see how one’s view point on the OT, prequels, and current Disney stewardship of the brand would vary based on their introduction to the Universe. I am fan of Campbell’s hero mythology but I have to disagree with your paragraph on TLJ. Not that one couldn’t arrive at the place we find our OT characters or the state of the galaxy at the start of TFA but it seems like you’re arriving there with your own skill at storytelling, which is great, but I didn’t feel that while watching the films that JJ nor Johnson did their job to get us there. We kind of have to write our own way there. To me, that seems like a major failure on the point of the writers. For me I don’t think I would be interested in any Star Wars film that takes place after Episode 1 in the timeline that does not feature the Skywalker family. Faverau may change that opinion, if anyone can it would be him. I’m down for an Old Republic film, series though. But I digress. The mods have been polite to let me rant but I’ve been way off topic of the thread for a few posts. I don’t think that my disappointments in the current Star Wars films are a brand specific problem. I think we are seeing the beginnings of the millennial generation breaking into Hollywood and the cultural differences between them and my generation are glaring. I guess most films were easy to walk away from but my love of Star Wars was too strong and I wanted to fight for something better. Quote:
Anyone able to purchase a Sandcrawler through the offical Disney link?
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It says its not out of stock, but I STILL can't get it to sell me a Sand Crawler. I don't understand this website! |
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