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06-15-2023, 08:57 PM | #1 |
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*Edit 12/10/23:
The DeluxePrice categories being pushed. $33-35 bucks: Standard fig, more accessories $40-45: Bigger Figs, Two packs. What used to be 30-34 priced. 50-55+: The Stonks level. Only a True 20% top income fan will buy this. A Rich Sucker will purchase, Hasbro's favorite, but risky for them. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I think everyone knows I don't like how Hasbro operates. However, this means when I point obvious corporate Super dickery out, I don't really suffer much backlash anymore. When we got **DELUXE** Gameerverse Spiderman and Kamakura at 33-35 MSRP, then we got Snow Job at that sweet **DELUXE** 34-35 MSRP (**sarcasm) I told my co-worker, hey, I bet you everything is going to become **DELUXE** to maximize that margin. Well, it's no so funny to me now in hindsight because it actually happened over these few months. I'm confident in calling out that the strategy to push **DELUXE** category regardless of quality to consumer is now in effect. Just wanted to point this out because it is what it is and I think it is fair you guys know what is actually going on. --->(Test product phase) To Be honest, now that I think about it, this would include a lot of the Exclusives previously so let's say a lot of those were testing the waters Marvel Legends - Video 90's Exclusives ($28) 1. Wolverine, 2. Storm, 3. Morph, 4. Sinister, 5. Jean, 6. Jubilee 7. Cyclops and any I forgot about. Retro War Machine ($28) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/205372?o=4 Gi Joe - SGT Slaughterer Excl($33-34?) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/207015?o=4 Kamakura ($33) Star Wars - Ackbar ROTJ Exclusive (28 Bucks) https://galacticfigures.com/figureDetails.aspx?id=30424 (28 Bucks each) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/223989?o=1 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/223987?o=1 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/223985?o=1 Boba Tax era --- Saw Gerrera ($31) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/201311?o=1 Cobb Vanth ($31) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/181635?o=2 Boba Fett (34) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/223215?o=2 Boba Fett (Book of Boba Fat) (34) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/187093?o=2 ---->(Execution phase edited) Star wars - (34-35 MSRP?) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/236897?o=1 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/238245?o=1 Gi Joe - Snowjob (34 bucks ish?) Marvel Legends ones --- (Target black Widow) = ($28 MSRP) (Hasbropulse Ghost Rider)= ($28 MSRP) (Gamerverse Spiderman) = ($34 MSRP) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/229112?o=4 (Iron Spider)= ($34 MSRP) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/202957?o=4 (Toad) = ($34 MSRP) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/203012?o=4 (Indy Cairo Deluxe)= (34 MSRP) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/236986?o=1 This one is particularly bad. Because this is essentially a Standard quality Hoth Trooper figure but 10-13 bucks more. (Endor Trooper) (34?) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/244844?o=1 (Hoth Trooper Example)(20-24 ish) https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/117333?o=4 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/127548?o=4 (*Edit) This better? I might be wrong about one or two of them, but I thought the trend was pretty clear Hasbro is going for this. (**Edit 2) I didn't add where they started hiding the deluxe 28 buck fig price in multi-packs to prevent annoyance factor, but that probably counts too. (edit 3) 10/4/23 https://www.toyark.com/2023/10/04/st...evealed-517898 Article says 35 bucks Axe Wooves hologram for example is 35 bucks. BBts Han Solo one is 28 bucks Hasbro continues to make new product and try to push the Deluxe pricing for no change in value while the Quality Control continues to slip. 12/10/23 I would like to remind everyone, the push is still going. New Gi Joe classified Deluxe: Metalhead 34 bucks. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/257799?o=1 60th Recon diver 34 bucks https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/260941?o=1 Action soldier 34 bucks https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/260938?o=1 Mutt and Junkyard 44 bucks https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/257800?o=1 New Marvel Legends Deluxe: Doc Ock $40 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/253119?o=2 Guardians 3 Groot from earlier this year $40 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/231539?o=2 Sonyverse Green Goblin Ultra deluxe (AKA Blob ripoff category) $50 https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...ils/253122?o=2 New /black series Deluxe: Grievious clone war re Black Series has honestly been a a pain to follow for Deluxe category tracking. They innovate the most because they have a hard time reusing tooling. The new deluxe products are mostly holiday and the Hologram collection. Carbonized 28-34 msrp Credit collection 30-34+ Holiday collections (Christmas, Halloween) 28-34+ (most current new items) Hologram collection 28-33+ (current focus and new items)
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06-15-2023, 09:33 PM | #2 |
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All very good points!
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06-15-2023, 10:55 PM | #3 |
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Blud, you are a bit confused. BBTS marks up all their stuff higher than the other retailers. That Blue Obi Wan retailed for $25 at Target and that Gaming Greats Zabrak was $25 at GameStop. BBTS buys exclusives from other stores (where they go for typical retail) and marks them up for a profit. All these figures shown have lower MSRPs at other retailers than depicted here except for Krysaantan, Malgus, and the new rebel trooper; with the new rebel trooper being the only one that does not have deluxe price value. Also, the Zabrak and Obi Wan that you have in your Execution Phase came out long before the comic figures you have in your testing phase. Yes, the deluxe Boba Fetts were ripoffs, but no, Hasbro is not trying to push everything into being deluxe. Correlation does not equal causation, especially when there is errors in the examples.
Also ofc Mr Lanard shill agrees with the misguided take lol Last edited by Soleria63; 06-15-2023 at 10:59 PM.. |
06-16-2023, 12:21 AM | #4 |
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What I agree with is how markets are very purposely hiking up prices well above the threshold. It would make sense if a site charges higher due to their costs. Hasbro boasted that they were moving to Vietnam for manufacturing to alleviate their costs, but that didn't do it, it may have fast tracked their shipping times from location to location but costs have risen to above norms.
I get prices are up across the industry. What I agree with is the margin is going higher and higher even when consumers are told that hey here's this product but wait here's the deluxe model which will be easier to get but cost you way above. And not make a standard product available. I've watched several products go this route and you can either chalk it up to marketing or greed, or both.
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06-16-2023, 01:23 AM | #5 |
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The conclusion stands it's an overall trend. I'll go hunt some more etc.
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06-16-2023, 01:38 AM | #6 |
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Okay, I'm not gonna re-edit the 1st post to list every Deluxe fig because they're not all rip offs, but you get the picture right?
It's just a trend where Standard size and accessory figs are being listed as Deluxe and +10-13 dollars for flimsy reasons yea?
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06-16-2023, 08:36 AM | #7 |
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as someone that looks at transformers figures and WANTS to collect them, it looks pretty obvious that the same figure that is at a higher price point and deluxe could easily, EASILY be a lower price non deluxe price point. there was a motorcycle that was red in a box, and then it was blue in a card back as a different character. they clearanced out the box one, but not the more accessible one on the card. |
08-20-2023, 01:03 AM | #8 |
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anyone that doesnt see that is blind. there was nothing special about the bobf fett. the stormtrooper helmets offered nothing to the toy and were not a point of interest in the show. the blaster effects were a common pack in with clone wars figures. you cant take something that came with every figure before and then say "this makes this figure deluxe" it doesnt.
DE-LUXE! And the $40 SDCC Krrsantan comes in a BIGGER BOX! That OPENS! MOAR DE-LUXE! I really love both figures, Boba Fett and the exclusive Krrsantan, but as TVC goes above $14 the $35 JoyToy figures, which are of substantially greater quality, look ever better. |
08-20-2023, 10:00 AM | #9 |
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This is just another reason I'm glad to be largely done with mainstream lines at the big box retailers. I might grab the occasional Star Wars Droid that will look good with Cosmic Legions, but that's about it.
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10-04-2023, 09:56 PM | #10 |
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Small Blurb update.
Hasbro's Strategy is make new products, push the new Deluxe Pricing Then apply the Deluxe Pricing to the Standard Figures if they see success. The implication being of course, if you guys don't buy it they get dumpster ed like the Sales decline in Hasbro's Q2 2023 https://www.toyark.com/2023/10/04/st...evealed-517898 Remains to be seen what Hasbro's evaluation will be considering Lord of the Rings card Profit Craze won't carry them as MTG saw Sales shows signs of long term decline issues. *edit: To prevent duplication. Article says price is 34 The Hologram Han so far is 28-29 ish. *edit 2: Yup Axe Wooves Hologram is 34-35 bucks. Was thrown off because each hologram figure type is a different retailers exclusive each. Which is weird.
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