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06-19-2019, 12:46 AM | #161 |
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You guys are looking at this like it's some personal affront, and using fanboy "logic" about examples not being comparable, and going off on screeds about conspiracies to push you into another scale. The simple truth is, IF 3.75 sold well, toy companies would be producing it in droves. The cost-cutting/loss of articulation/lack of accessories you guys cite wasn't done to make you lose interest or force you into another scale, it was done as an effort to keep the scale viable because IT WASN'T SELLING IN ENOUGH NUMBERS TO BE PROFITABLE. I mean, shit gang, this is business 101.
As I said, if 1:18 sold in profitable numbers outside of Star Wars, Hasbro would be all in. It wasn't/hasn't been, so Hasbro isn't. Despite their efforts to keep the scale around, Hasbro finally had to concede. Mattel bailed on it for Multiverse too, if you recall. The scale bit Hasbro in the ass with G.I. Joe and Marvel & Mattel for DC...so maybe it's just comic book properties people don't want in 1:18. Oh wait, no one bought Pirates of the Caribbean 1:18 shit either...or Thunderbirds...or Thundercats...or fuck, do I really have to go on. Sorry, gents, it's my scale too, but outside of us, no one gives a shit. lol |
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06-19-2019, 01:44 AM | #162 |
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There are truths to both thoughts, but one fact is that the recent MU offerings were DOA before they ever went on sale. The Ragnarok two packs assortment is case is point. Everyone bought the Hulk/Thor box and no one bought the Enchantress/Merry Man in Eyeliner box, no one. I can buy that craptastic box all day for $5 right now. Split between Hulk/Enchantress and Thor/Merry Man, it would have sold through alot better. There is even Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes storyline implications to such a split. Everyone involved in this decision should have been fired.
Then the Gamerverse sets- Spiderman box is still holding in price. But no one (again, no one) wants Black Widow, she is pegwarming almost as badly a Rose Tico internationally. And who in the world wants the Collector? Bueller? Bueller? But yeah, the basic equation is 3.75 and 6 inch cost about the same to produce, but one earns twice as much revenue and thus more profit (aka Pi). The fact that diabetic Non-Hassenfeld Brothers demands more Pi is all you need to know. Meanwhile, Marauders John is quickly becoming a millionaire (if not already) :p
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06-19-2019, 02:01 AM | #163 |
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The simple truth is, IF 3.75 sold well, toy companies would be producing it in droves. The cost-cutting/loss of articulation/lack of accessories you guys cite wasn't done to make you lose interest or force you into another scale, it was done as an effort to keep the scale viable because IT WASN'T SELLING IN ENOUGH NUMBERS TO BE PROFITABLE. I mean, shit gang, this is business 101.
It would seem more sincere if Hasbro didn't then jack the price of figures up by 20-25% twice within a 3 year span on Gi Joe, Star Wars and Marvel 3.75 at the same time. While decreasing the quality and paint jobs of the figures at the same time in the time frame between 2010-2013 What Hasbro apparently seems to have meant is "there aren't enough suckers to buy figures after we jacked the price up 25% the 1st time, jacked the price up again 20% a second time and we made the figures much more shet. Like MUCH MORE SHET " No Shet Hasbro. |
06-19-2019, 02:36 AM | #164 |
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You guys are looking at this like it's some personal affront, and using fanboy "logic" about examples not being comparable, and going off on screeds about conspiracies to push you into another scale. The simple truth is, IF 3.75 sold well, toy companies would be producing it in droves. The cost-cutting/loss of articulation/lack of accessories you guys cite wasn't done to make you lose interest or force you into another scale, it was done as an effort to keep the scale viable because IT WASN'T SELLING IN ENOUGH NUMBERS TO BE PROFITABLE. I mean, shit gang, this is business 101.
As I said, if 1:18 sold in profitable numbers outside of Star Wars, Hasbro would be all in. It wasn't/hasn't been, so Hasbro isn't. Despite their efforts to keep the scale around, Hasbro finally had to concede. Mattel bailed on it for Multiverse too, if you recall. The scale bit Hasbro in the ass with G.I. Joe and Marvel & Mattel for DC...so maybe it's just comic book properties people don't want in 1:18. Oh wait, no one bought Pirates of the Caribbean 1:18 shit either...or Thunderbirds...or Thundercats...or fuck, do I really have to go on. Sorry, gents, it's my scale too, but outside of us, no one gives a shit. lol So far, your conspicuous failure to address my point is conspicuous. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, and Fortnite all have 1:12 scale figures that are pegwarming/clearancing as bad as the corresponding 1:18 lines are or ever did (same for Pirates of the Caribbean, by the way - their 7" line wasn't doing great either). I'm only asking you to explain why that type of performance is OK for 1:12. Moreover, you claim that the performance of these 1:12 lines actually signifies collectors' broad preference for 1:12 over 1:18, specifically. But when 1:18 performed that same way it was good cause to end 1:18. These analyses are logically at odds with one another. Are you capable of addressing this?
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06-19-2019, 06:28 AM | #165 |
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I'm not taking it personally at all. I haven't resorted to name-calling. I'm just asking you to address an issue with your logic. It's a flaw that I see people make often on this topic, whether intentionally or not. And by confronting you with this issue I hope to determine whether or not it's intentional on your part. That will help me decide how best to communicate with and around you.
So far, your conspicuous failure to address my point is conspicuous. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, and Fortnite all have 1:12 scale figures that are pegwarming/clearancing as bad as the corresponding 1:18 lines are or ever did (same for Pirates of the Caribbean, by the way - their 7" line wasn't doing great either). I'm only asking you to explain why that type of performance is OK for 1:12. Moreover, you claim that the performance of these 1:12 lines actually signifies collectors' broad preference for 1:12 over 1:18, specifically. But when 1:18 performed that same way it was good cause to end 1:18. These analyses are logically at odds with one another. Are you capable of addressing this? |
06-19-2019, 06:30 AM | #166 |
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Furthermore, I feel like they listen to fans and collectors a bit more in regards to 1:12 scale than with 1:18.
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06-19-2019, 08:24 AM | #167 |
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Zap, there isn't likely an easy Spock answer. No logic. To answer that, I think we would need tangible sales, marketing cost vs profit numbers from Hasbro. And even within respective entities - Hasbro, Mattel, etc - different teams are responsible for different lines - Marvel, GI Joe, DC - not necessarily scales. But those numbers aren't just handed to anyone. I'm not a wealth of knowledge on business, marketing, or project-specifics on producing a toy line, but my area of expertise is logistics. And all of them have serious issues with distribution and assortment. Not to mention communication, i.e. releasing the Retaliation line early in 2012 just to turn around and piss off retailers by asking them to pull the product until 2013 due to delay of the movie. If I recall correctly
Everything in the highlighted section of your post is pointing out exactly why it's inappropriate to say that the clearance from one was a death knell while the clearance from the other is (at worst) irrelevant, or (at best) actually a sign of lively commerce and clear consumer preference. To be clear, I'm not demanding precise numbers. I said earlier that he and I can make opposing "assertions" about why Hasbro moved to 1:12. The exact reason I used the term "assertions" is because none of us has meeting minutes or direct financial data to examine in order to prove it. What I am asking for is an explanation of how he (or anyone) logically makes the decision that pegwarming/clearance for one is different from pegwarming/clearance for the other. My very point is that one would have to know exactly what we don't know in order to be able to make that distinction with any confidence at all. Yet it is routinely tossed out there that 1:18 was clearanced and that means 1:12 is the future of the hobby. People who present that case never talk about what 1:12 is doing and has been doing with respect to the very same pegwarming/clearance/closeout-store-selling. If there even is a difference at all - which we simply don't know - it's not an argument anyone without inside sales and financial data can legitimately make.
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06-19-2019, 12:02 PM | #168 |
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I’m gonna buy at least five Green Lanterns.
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06-19-2019, 01:01 PM | #169 |
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To make other green lanterns?
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06-19-2019, 01:17 PM | #170 |
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Was the SDCC set worth buying?
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