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11-10-2007, 01:15 AM | #31 |
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As for collecting Joes or any other toys...they look cool? I can, as said above, pose them in grossly sexually suggestive ways? I can annoy my wife with the Cobra soundbox..(Cobra....COBRA!...Cobra....COBRA!)...it 's a kind of undefinable fun, I suppose. For me. Maybe not for others.
RPGs are a good example. How would your group react if you divided them up according to labels such as "munchkin" "rules lawyer" etcetera. even if these labels appeared to fit? Have you taken (or would you take) your game group to a game con? What amount of respect (if any) would you feel is fair from other gamers at the con? Do you feel that there are some attending that deserve more public deference than others? Let's say you meet Steve Jackson. Would you treat him any differently from say. . .Gary Gygax? What if one of the convention attendees asked for a "hand out" of special deference simply because he/she was a convention organizer, speaker, or tournament ref? How far would you take it until feeling offended yourself, if at all? -PJ |
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11-10-2007, 01:29 AM | #32 |
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Well, if a person fit a strict definition of "rules lawyer" or "munchkin" I would probably weed them out of my group before too long. My games tend to be too RP heavy for 'em.
The only con I've been to is a small one in the NE that, until this past year, has been entirely private. At that con, the level of respect for me was pretty high because most people there had played in my games, or played with me in other games. Many of them are also some of my closest friends, so not a really fair assessment. At a REAL con I wouldn't expect anyone to give a rat's butt about me because in the gaming world I'm nobody, and I don't want to be anybody except a GM who runs a good game for friends. Some people, people with game product credits to their name, certainly deserve more deference than me. I don't worship either of those guys..I love D&D but Gygax is by many accounts a very bitter and unpleasant old man, but I'd ask for his autograph. Convention organizers/volunteers/speakers definitely deserve SOMETHING for their time, whether it's free product or a pat on the back or what have you. I've volunteered at big events (music festivals) and I darn sure expected some kind of return (free tickets, good camping spot, free food, etc). If they're demanding I kiss the ground they walk on, they can keep dreaming. If they've devoted themselves to that sphere, fine...good for them. Respect and credit where due. I won't bow to them but I WILL freely admit they know more/have done more in that field than I have.
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11-10-2007, 01:30 AM | #33 |
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For me, it's just something that interests me.....so I involve myself to whatever extent I feel like on any given day.......:cool:
Your collection, your dios, your photography, and your creative writing, all placed one tier below what I have to bring to the table? What would you think about it? -PJ Last edited by Obiwanjacoby; 11-10-2007 at 01:51 AM.. |
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11-10-2007, 01:43 AM | #34 |
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I don't worship either of those guys..I love D&D but Gygax is by many accounts a very bitter and unpleasant old man, but I'd ask for his autograph.
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Convention organizers/volunteers/speakers definitely deserve SOMETHING for their time, whether it's free product or a pat on the back or what have you. I've volunteered at big events (music festivals) and I darn sure expected some kind of return (free tickets, good camping spot, free food, etc). If they're demanding I kiss the ground they walk on, they can keep dreaming. If they've devoted themselves to that sphere, fine...good for them. Respect and credit where due. I won't bow to them but I WILL freely admit they know more/have done more in that field than I have.
Now say you met me at a Joe convention, and I introduced myself with. . ."Hi, my name is PJ*, I'm a volunteer here. I'm the guy that brought you the Doc mail-away. See, I was doing lunch with my pal [name drop] from Hasbro and he asked me to give him an idea for a figure that didn't need much re-tooling, so when you see Doc, think of PJ! Okay? " Honest question: What category of volunteer does this fall into? Why did PJ make such a statement? Are his motives clear in this case, or more subtle or variable? Has PJ crossed a line at some point? Sure PJ deserves thanks for the extra effort he's putting in, but why'd he do it to begin with? Is this a volunteer that deserves more deference than any other volunteer? Is PJ a "higher level" fan/collector/whatever than you, Irid? -PJ *Really is my given name, Paul is just on the birth cert. |
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11-10-2007, 01:46 AM | #35 |
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Just got back from the movies and I see I missed something. It seems a whole reply was cut out that I hear was for me. Feel free to PM it to me if you still have it. I hate missing out.
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General question: If contributions (the work?) could be measured, then the level of work would then be objective, rather than subjective, because it is then tangible, correct?
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Would the one contribution to the hobby remain equal to another if say, one was in print format and the other were delivered via continuous repetition, say at conventions and so forth?
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11-10-2007, 01:49 AM | #36 |
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Now say you met me at a Joe convention, and I introduced myself with. . ."Hi, my name is PJ*, I'm a volunteer here. I'm the guy that brought you the Doc mail-away. See, I was doing lunch with my pal [name drop] from Hasbro and he asked me to give him an idea for a figure that didn't need much re-tooling, so when you see Doc, think of PJ! Okay? " 1. I would nod, smile, shake your hand and say "thanks!" 2. I would think to myself, "what a name-dropping git." 3. I would relate the story to my friends and my wife and generally believe that it was greatly exaggerated. Bear in mind, the fields I know best are the academic world and poetry...so I know from name-dropping gits and exaggerated accomplishments. Also, mostly, after some time, I'd forget about it, because as much as I love GI Joe, it is a toy to me, not an investment, and there are many more important things going on for me.
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11-10-2007, 01:49 AM | #37 |
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If: collecting is not work, then no merit applies.
If: collecting is work on any "level", then merit applies. But then if collecting were work on any level, then it would cease to be a hobby. Correct? I hope I simplified the premise enough. -PJ As for "merit", what does it get you? And, like others, I completely disagree with it not being a hobby. The roleplay example was perfect. You work but ut's still fun and even putting in hours of hobby time is better than time spent in my office. John
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11-10-2007, 01:57 AM | #38 |
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What amount of respect (if any) would you feel is fair from other gamers at the con? Do you feel that there are some attending that deserve more public deference than others?
IMO all collectors, that deserve it, should be treated with the same respect regarless of contribution. We're all people and I treat people like that in life too. Respect is earned and not given. Act like a jerk and you won't be given any show respect for fellow collectors, or people in life, and you get it. Let's say you meet Steve Jackson. Would you treat him any differently from say. . .Gary Gygax? Quote:
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What if one of the convention attendees asked for a "hand out" of special deference simply because he/she was a convention organizer, speaker, or tournament ref?
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11-10-2007, 02:01 AM | #39 |
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Also, mostly, after some time, I'd forget about it, because as much as I love GI Joe, it is a toy to me, not an investment, and there are many more important things going on for me.
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11-10-2007, 02:02 AM | #40 |
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My stance on this issue has evolved, I assure you.
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I thought we were making fantastic progress.
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I genuinely feel that I'm getting somewhere.
If there was any ever question why so many people believe that you do in fact, have some sort of agenda, whether directed towards specific people in the hobby or the hobby in general, your quotes above and your continuous pressure with this topic, here and elsewhere, truly show it - whether you care to believe it or not. Quote:
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It really makes some people feel uncomfortable, like it's some sort of taboo or something.
So, as much as i hate to do so, in the spirit of contructive discussion, i'm gonna take the bait and i'm gonna ask you the question Paul: Just what is the point you're trying to get at? Can you please just cut all the circular logic and ad nauseum "hard questions", make your point and be done with it. Just "where are we getting", what "progress" do you want us all to make, and just what do you think the collective "we" are "onto" in this thread. |
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