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11-12-2007, 01:17 PM | #101 |
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obiwon works for the cia in the stu (special toys unit). hes gathering survaliance to present a report to the general of consumer affairs so they can better understand why a bunch of 20+ men and women still play with plastic dolls (no there not dolls there action figures:p).
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11-12-2007, 04:06 PM | #102 |
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The following statement is very on-topic. Patience, it just takes a bit to draw out.
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Why the desperation? Why is it so important to make your postion clear?
Further, I simply feel that if you want to know someone's opinion on a matter, you just ask. And then their statements stand as they are on their own merits. For example: I have been frequently accused of being an advocate of some sort of "communism movement" within the hobby, and that the current system is somehow run by a small group of haute bourgeoisie. :rolleyes: 1. This accusation fails to take into account that only one very small aspect of the Joe hobby is actually tied into this, and only digital images at that. This has nothing to do with the actual collectible itself. 2. This accusation places far too much status on those involved in #1., when compared to other members of the hobby. 3. This thread is very effective in demolishing such an accusation, because it's coming up with very little evidence of any Proletarian in this pastime. :cough: Therefore, the accusation is itself patently absurd and wouldn't apply to anyone.* 4. My questions and my demonstrated patience prove a willingness to come to the table and negotiate, rather than fling invectives, baseless accusations, or ad hominem arguments. Some just haven't caught on to this yet, or are unwilling to catch on. Is toy collecting work? <--- No one is forced to answer this open question and no one is forced to partcipate. yes/no If "yes" then is it the same kind of work that would support an accusation that PJ is a "toy commie"? Well, it's a stretch at best, and very few have answered my initial question in a manner that would even begin to support that. Furthermore, the evidence points to the fact that PJ opposes the tiered system that would give him the motive to stage a "plastic revolution" to begin with! LOL! ^_^. No workie, no commie. Quote:
And I'll take the bait, recorded where and for what?
Besides, I was referring to Jane Goodall over there in the corner observing us as if we were chimps. :rolleyes: -PJ *At best, it could be a case of a "Reductio ad absurdum" argument, but that wouldn't make it any less silly. |
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11-12-2007, 05:35 PM | #103 |
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For example: I have been frequently accused of being an advocate of some sort of "communism movement" within the hobby, and that the current system is somehow run by a small group of haute bourgeoisie. :rolleyes:.
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2. This accusation places far too much status on those involved in #1., when compared to other members of the hobby.
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3. This thread is very effective in demolishing such an accusation, because it's coming up with very little evidence of any Proletarian in this pastime. :cough: Therefore, the accusation is itself patently absurd and wouldn't apply to anyone.*
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Is toy collecting work? <--- No one is forced to answer this open question and no one is forced to partcipate.
yes/no Quote:
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If "yes" then is it the same kind of work that would support an accusation that PJ is a "toy commie"?
However, on a completed related yet unrelated note I made a Communist reference to something you said in another thread. Pretty ironic. It has nothing to do with work just the way you say things. A desire for all to share to the point where it almost feels like you demand they share definitely reeks of Communism. Quote:
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Well, it's a stretch at best, and very few have answered my initial question in a manner that would even begin to support that.
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Furthermore, the evidence points to the fact that PJ opposes the tiered system that would give him the motive to stage a "plastic revolution" to begin with! LOL! ^_^.
Once again, though, what does a tier system have to do with working hard? Your mistake is you seem to assume a hard worker elevates himself to some imaginary higher station. Not true. Others elevate hard workers more than they do themselves. Quote:
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That wasn't bait. See? You ^^^ attached a motive that wasn't actually featured in my statements. That was (by the nature of the statement) an appeal to motive fallacy. It's the reason why we have problems communicating.
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Besides, I was referring to Jane Goodall over there in the corner observing us as if we were chimps. :rolleyes:
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11-12-2007, 05:41 PM | #104 |
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you people have way to much time on your hands.
can we just buy the figures and shut up? |
11-12-2007, 06:29 PM | #105 |
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It's not only you but do you deny making illuminati accusations? Many have in this and other hobbies. Believe me, the people accused would love to dispell that myth.
Examples such as "inner circle"*, "high-end", "levels", "serious", and "casual" collectors are thrown about in a very careless manner and cause a division between "you" and "they". Based on earlier posts here, you can't fairly accuse me of starting it, but I can promise to do my part not to add to it. On that you can be sure I am in 100% agreement. Quote:
Right, and that's the problem. Those accused do not feel like they are in fact what they are accused of. I don't think anybody runs things. It seems to be the belief of some though.
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However, that does not mean that some do not work harder than others at collecting. It also doesn't mean that some don't do more for the hobby. Even without the ridiculous titles applied to hard workers they still work hard none-the-less.
It's only the labeling we can do without. And since that has been admitted on all sides as not necessarily valid, as well as purely subjective, we can then move on from there as truly friendly fans without a heirarchy. Quote:
Could not agree more. People have been crying for years that there is no "inner circle" but there seems to be some weird attachment of that name to guys who either work hard, have refined/esoteric taste, or both.
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There's not even a correlation betwen the two. I'm not sure how you'd even come to that conclusion. I work hard so you have communist views? Sorry, PJ, trying hard to see this one but it's just not working for me.
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However, on a completed related yet unrelated note I made a Communist reference to something you said in another thread. Pretty ironic. It has nothing to do with work just the way you say things. A desire for all to share to the point where it almost feels like you demand they share definitely reeks of Communism.
- Share what specifically? - Where is the "means of production"? The secondary market??? - Who are the proles? - And if PJ personally does not support, endorse, or advocate a Joe collector hierarchy, or "Joelluminati" (or whatever), as stated before, he has no motive to become a toy Trotsky. ;) :p. Therefore, many have confused the growing, learning, flesh-and-blood Obiwanjacoby for a straw-man to joust with. Quote:
If one works hard and does a lot it doesn't make them better or some sort of elitist but it does mean they do more.
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Should people who do more have titles as you stated? Personally, I'm not even sure if that was a joke or not. I find it ridiculous. I'm a class 2 collector. AHAHAHA Bow before me. ;^) However, people should be recognized for contributions since as I said so many times it's a thankless job manytimes trying to help the community.
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This is my own quirk but please stop referring to yourself in 3rd person. It's kind of wierd.
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Once again, though, what does a tier system have to do with working hard? Your mistake is you seem to assume a hard worker elevates himself to some imaginary higher station. Not true. Others elevate hard workers more than they do themselves.
But where do you draw the line? How do you know the difference between simple endorsement and personal self-promotion? The clues would come from both the source and the context of the posts as I have demonstrated last week. Quote:
It was sarcasm.
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Yes, that was quite clear.
I'm doing my part to get along, and I'm asking for your help. -PJ *Referring to an exclusive group within the Joe community itself, as opposed to the "outer" circle of general toy collectible/antique enthusiasts I commonly refer to. Last edited by Obiwanjacoby; 11-12-2007 at 06:37 PM.. |
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11-12-2007, 06:52 PM | #106 |
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I hope you few guys know that the rest of us just scroll past posts that exceed a certain length and only read the ones that are three paragraphs or less.
At least for me. It's work trying to explain to my wife why we all need at least two of each of the 25th figures, one to open and one to keep MOC. Yes, it's work.
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I hope you few guys know that the rest of us just scroll past posts that exceed a certain length and only read the ones that are three paragraphs or less.
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11-12-2007, 07:46 PM | #108 |
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You know what's work? Having to read a few newly added chapters of "War & Peace: HissTank Edition" every time I read this thread.
Here's an idea, bare with me as I throw it out there: Instead of talking about changing perceptions, how about just doing it? Eh? Good stuff, no? Might just work, too ;) You know what else is work? Changing o-rings. I get like an angry primate when I finally have the friggin' thing around the peg, the arms and head are in place....I go to snap the friggin' two halves together and BOOM. Friggin' thing falls apart. I swear I would fling poo right then & there if it were socially acceptable. |
11-12-2007, 07:49 PM | #109 |
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LMAO Xero...i was just thinking the same thing!.
not to sound rude, but honestly, i don't read anything that long. it gives me a headache just thinking about sitting there and writing all that...i just scroll right past it. i just don't get it. yall need to relax, this ain't that serious. |
11-12-2007, 07:57 PM | #110 |
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i just don't get it. yall need to relax, this ain't that serious.
We can, however, ask that while here on this board, we all just move forward and leave past perceptions where ever they came from. You know what's work? Standing on this soap box. |
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