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02-14-2019, 10:25 AM | #22921 |
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x1 Special Tactics Officer (sometimes JTAC qualified, he gets the same training as a CCT) x 11 Combat Controllers x 6 PJ's One of the enlisted (either PJ or CCT) will be the Team Superintendent (or Team NCO) SOWT were attached at the SF Group level (x2 Enlisted and one Officer) and the BN level (x3 Enlisted and x 1 Officer) and could be attached individually according to mission I think the Tactical Air Control Party was the same. Information from here; http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/virt...RCE/3504AF.PDF and https://www.socom.mil/JSOU/JSOUPubli...l_final_cc.pdf The above is from circa 2015, since then SOWT / Weathermen and TACP and SERE Specialists have joined STT's. I don't know how they're manned now. Also, there are plans to revolutionize the way Battlefield Airmen are deployed. I think the AFSOC higher ups have become irritated with the relative dysfunction of how Battlefield Airmen are utilized by the rest of SOCOM. Basically AFSOC trains, equips and grows these guys but they're always supporting other branches which means the level of advanced training, experience and culture is all over the place depending on how the individual augmentees were accepted, developed and appreciated by their attached units. some information here; https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...man-structure/ |
02-14-2019, 12:09 PM | #22922 |
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I am interested to see how the Air Force fully integrates the 3 Special Forces units into a cohesive unit. Like it says they can be deployed as a unit, but is that really ever the case?
I have may Airborne Squadron broken up basically two teams. A Recon "Pathfinders" team, and a Combat Control team. My "Pathfinders" team might be my ultimate team. I envision it as basically as Two ODA teams crossed with an SAS Team. However the the other team I really don't know what to make of it other than everyone is Airborne Qualified. It performs the PJ role as well, but essentially I see the team deployed to take over an air force base in a foreign country, set up shop, and generally just wait for the call. Combat Control Team: Major Raine (O-4) (Custom Marauders figure based on Inglorious Baterds character) Although you could go without him and make Coundown the Team leader. Countdown (O-3) (I use Rollbar) Barrel-Roll (O-2) Skydive (E-9) Altitude (E-8) Airwave (E-8) Drop-Zone (E-8) Starduster (E-8) Ripcord (E-7) SGT Six (E-7) Airborne (E-7) Static-line (E-7) Jammer(E-6) Skymate (E-6) Airstrike (E-6) custom Manleh (E-6) Freefall (E-5) SGT Stormy (E-5) custom Combat Weatherman Cloudburst Crazylegs Bombstrike (Is she Air Force?) Condor Sokerk Sparrowhawk
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02-14-2019, 02:14 PM | #22923 |
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As Tyroc pointed, the structure has changed and is mission dependent. Three types of STT are Personnel Recovery Team, Precision Strike Team and Global Access Team. The objective of the PRT is self-evident, made up mostly of PJs and some CCT. The PST consists mostly of JTAC-certified CCT and TACP for air strike missions. The GAT is primarily made up of CCT for airfield control. I’m not sure if any current STT contains all four specialties. A Special Forces Group usually receives 4 SOWT, each with 2 weather operators. A CSAR element typically has 2-3 PJ and a combat controller. An airfield may require 4-8 combat controllers. TACPs traditionally have an ALO and 2 enlisted JTAC. However 1 JTAC-certified airmen may be attached to an SFODA, MSOT or SEAL platoon.
In Operation GOTHIC SERPENT, there was an 11-man STT but this was before the creation of the Special Tactics Officer so the team was led by an enlisted man, a SMSgt. Three other members were MSgts, one TSgt and the rest SSgts. I suspect now the team leader is usually the STO (O3) and the assistant team leader is the flight chief, most likely an E7. Within the team are element leaders, who are at least an E6 I imagine. The CFETP for combat controllers states that 5-skill level journeyman typically act as team members though they are qualified to act unsupervised. A 7-skill level craftsman acts as a supervisor and often deploys independently or as a team leader. Must be at least a SSgt to reach level 7. Each squadron has element members, element leaders, flight chiefs, chief enlisted managers and staff positions. |
02-14-2019, 03:24 PM | #22924 |
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Major Raine (O-4) (Custom Marauders figure based on Inglorious Baterds character) Although you could go without him and make Coundown the Team leader.
Countdown (O-3) (I use Rollbar) Barrel-Roll (O-2) Skydive (E-9) Altitude (E-8) Airwave (E-8) Drop-Zone (E-8) Starduster (E-8) Ripcord (E-7) SGT Six (E-7) Airborne (E-7) Static-line (E-7) Jammer(E-6) Skymate (E-6) Airstrike (E-6) custom Manleh (E-6) Freefall (E-5) SGT Stormy (E-5) custom Combat Weatherman Cloudburst Crazylegs Bombstrike (Is she Air Force?) Condor Sokerk Sparrowhawk and, yes, Bombstrike is USAF. |
02-14-2019, 08:39 PM | #22925 |
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Love this setup Darkhawk. Kilowatt might be my favorite new rename I need to incorporate. Although it seems like Blast-Off and Flash should change places. Not sure who would be a better Anti-Venom Squad leader. Blowtorch, Charbroil? Ozone? Who is the inspiration behind Toolbox?
I never really break my teams down into 4 man teams but I am inspired now to try. Yea, Clean-Sweep I think should be an Officer as his MOS could be an Officers (74B Chemical Operations and Training; but wiki says that was "to be deleted Oct 2010") Toolbox, I got from watching that The Toys that Made Us on Netflix, A couple of bios came up for unused characters and he was one of them. Had him wearing an Personnel Combat Exoskeleton. So he seemed like a good fit here. lol The Others were: - Periscope (Commander Perry S. Cope, US Navy) - Submarine Commander - Cypher (Senior Airman Erika Kennedy, USAF) - Linguist/Translator / Computer Science - Sparrow (Corporal Alecia "Alec" Scott, US Army National Guard) - Recon Pilot / Intelligence - Metro (Corporal Christian J. Rockefeller, US Army) - Urban Operations / Psychology Last edited by Darkhawk75; 02-14-2019 at 09:02 PM.. |
02-14-2019, 08:43 PM | #22926 |
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02-21-2019, 09:26 AM | #22927 |
Crimson Guard
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Two things:
First has anyone ever made a distinction between "soldier" and "trooper"? I know all U.S Army personnel are referred to as "soldiers" but the term "trooper" could apply to someone who is assigned to a cavalry squadron. So could Grunt and Flash (amongst others) had served in Cavalry Regiments as Infantrymen before their assignment to the Joe team? Also in one of my Joe structures I have them in a similar way as a MEU. I have two Special Forces A-Teams attached to this MEU. With that being said I often wonder about logistics. We all know a Special Forces ODB team is in charge of six ODA teams and handles logistics for them. Who would handle the logistics for these attached SF teams? An MEU has a Logistics Combat Element but would a standard unit supply specialist understand the TOE needs for a SF team? Thoughts? Oh and my two SF ODA teams on the MEU (not complete of course): Claymore (86) SF Officer Flint (85) SF Warrant Duke (83) SF Operations Stalker (82) SF Assistant Operations Breaker (82) SF Comms Snake-Eyes (82) SF Weapons Ripcord (84) SF Engineer Falcon (87) SF Officer Sgt. Stone (09) SF Operations Recondo (84) SF Assistant Operations Airwave (90) SF Comms Static Line (90) SF Engineer Airborne v2 (90) SF Medic Drop Zone (90) SF Weapons John “Sidetrack v2” Boyce (02) SF Medic |
02-21-2019, 11:22 AM | #22928 |
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I believe the parent SF unit would still provide for the SFODA administratively and logistically even if the MEU has TACON of the team.
Sometimes trooper is used interchangeably with soldier but I suppose you could rationalize that some Joes served in a cavalry troop. I personally think some Joes like Crosscountry would fit in perfectly with cavalry. |
02-22-2019, 05:34 PM | #22929 |
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Good point on the soldier vs trooper usage.
I have my 19D Cavalry Scouts as: Crankcase (85) Backstop (87) Avalanche (87) Blocker (87) Armadillo (88) Wildcard (88) And 19K M1A1 Armor Crewmen as: Cover Girl (83) Heavy Metal (85) Frostbite (85) Cross Country (86) Hot Seat (89) Cold Front (90) Switch Gears (03) Even though I do not utilize the actual vehicles from the toyline into my Joe-verse I did base my decisions on Cavalry vs Tank driver on what kind of vehicle they came with. Tracked vehicle users were former 19K's while wheeled vehicle users were former 19D's. Most of their military specialties list them as "Armor" and both MOS's are under that branch so it could technically go either way. |
03-03-2019, 07:47 PM | #22930 |
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Two things:
First has anyone ever made a distinction between "soldier" and "trooper"? I know all U.S Army personnel are referred to as "soldiers" but the term "trooper" could apply to someone who is assigned to a cavalry squadron. So could Grunt and Flash (amongst others) had served in Cavalry Regiments as Infantrymen before their assignment to the Joe team? Also in one of my Joe structures I have them in a similar way as a MEU. I have two Special Forces A-Teams attached to this MEU. With that being said I often wonder about logistics. We all know a Special Forces ODB team is in charge of six ODA teams and handles logistics for them. Who would handle the logistics for these attached SF teams? An MEU has a Logistics Combat Element but would a standard unit supply specialist understand the TOE needs for a SF team? Thoughts? Oh and my two SF ODA teams on the MEU (not complete of course): Claymore (86) SF Officer Flint (85) SF Warrant Duke (83) SF Operations Stalker (82) SF Assistant Operations Breaker (82) SF Comms Snake-Eyes (82) SF Weapons Ripcord (84) SF Engineer Falcon (87) SF Officer Sgt. Stone (09) SF Operations Recondo (84) SF Assistant Operations Airwave (90) SF Comms Static Line (90) SF Engineer Airborne v2 (90) SF Medic Drop Zone (90) SF Weapons John “Sidetrack v2” Boyce (02) SF Medic As far as logistics in the MEU with attachments, it would be a joint operation between the MEU and the parent command. The MEU has a CSSE (combat service support element), that used to be called an MSSG (MEU Service Support Group) which handled everything from soup to nuts and any problems caused by soup or nuts. Handling supply for a couple of attached A-teams wouldn't really be all that difficult. Repair of any specialized equipment might be tricky-not getting parts, but technicians that know how to repair the gear. For example, I am fairly certain the armory NCOIC could probably handle any firearms repairs or maintenance, especially in consultation with the SF operator but certain comm gear and other electronics might be hard to service. So the ODTB or whomever you envision as the parent command would likely send money and recommended spares lists along with the A Teams, they would probably send extras of high value items that might be hard to repair such as any non-standard night vision goggles, and then the damaged set would get Fed Exed (yes, Federal Express) back to the parent command and new ones sent out. In the unlikely event that some sort of super secret ninja goggles need to be sent and they can't be sent by common carrier, a courier would fly and hand carry the item there. And if none of that is possible, you improvise, adapt, and make do with what you have on hand. |
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