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02-22-2017, 09:40 AM | #21701 |
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^^^^ Lol! Or any of the other tank drivers such as Steeler, Thunderwing, Frostbite, Cross Country and Steam-Roller. It's almost as if the Hasbro designers had pictures of all the Joe characters up on a wall and threw a dart and whichever one it landed on was the designated tank driver for that particular vehicle.
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02-22-2017, 10:18 AM | #21702 |
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I always associated Wild Bill with cavalry. There's two types of cavalry air cav, and armored cavalry. It makes a little bit of sense, from a sertain point of view.
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02-23-2017, 09:46 AM | #21703 |
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Okay so I have been reading up on NCO progressions for the U.S. Army from this link: http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p600_25.pdf From it I am having a difficult time trying to justify tying together the whole Stalker/SE/SS/Dickie/Wade/Ramon LRRP timeline with Stalker as a Green Beret. I was trying to retain the whole LRRP backstory in regards to Stalker and Snake-Eye's past as I think it makes a great back story. However in regards to the timeline it doesn't flow well. I am taking this from a modern perspective and not a Vietnam-era one. Here is what I have gathered: LRRP team is ambushed in Afghanistan. SE injured and leaves the Army. Stalker (as a team leader for either a LRSU or Ranger Reconnaissance Team) would have had been a rank of E-6. Shortly after the ambush Stalker goes Special Forces. He would have had to complete all the prerequisite training (SFAS, SFQC, Special Forces Medical training, SERE, etc). This would have taken quite a bit of time (maybe two years?). Would have had to serve on an ODA for a few years and eventually he gets promoted to E-7 (or maybe promoted during his two years attending training?). Goes on to Special Forces Assistant Operations and Intelligence MOS 18F (to cover his "Intelligence School" aspect on his filecard). Between starting his SF career as an E-6 and then going to either an E-7 or E-8 before even joining the Joe team does not seem enough time to accumulate experience with the SF Branch (plus all of the training). I don't think his commanding officer would have let him go so quickly either. I think to make the timeline work either he needs to have been in the RRC before going to the Joe team (which would not justify his Intelligence School, Medic, and Languages) or the LRRP team could have been six members of a Special Forces ODA conducting a long range reconnaissance patrol. This could have had both Snake-Eyes and Stalker attending SF selection at a lower rank (maybe E-4) and having the time it takes to attend all the training and spend several years gaining SF experience. Also in regards to SE if he did retire from the Army after the ambush he would have been an E-5 (maybe E-6) dues to his position on a LRRP. He spent several years after the ambush as a civilian so when the Joes brought him in he would have still been the same rank as when he initially left. Unless the LRRP team was actually a SF ODA team he would not have had time to attend SF training (as some of us have made him a SF Engineer Sergeant). Last edited by john shaft; 02-23-2017 at 09:48 AM.. |
02-23-2017, 12:23 PM | #21704 |
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True but I always place him in air cav although I can see where they were going.
Okay so I have been reading up on NCO progressions for the U.S. Army from this link: http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p600_25.pdf From it I am having a difficult time trying to justify tying together the whole Stalker/SE/SS/Dickie/Wade/Ramon LRRP timeline with Stalker as a Green Beret. I was trying to retain the whole LRRP backstory in regards to Stalker and Snake-Eye's past as I think it makes a great back story. However in regards to the timeline it doesn't flow well. I am taking this from a modern perspective and not a Vietnam-era one. Here is what I have gathered: LRRP team is ambushed in Afghanistan. SE injured and leaves the Army. Stalker (as a team leader for either a LRSU or Ranger Reconnaissance Team) would have had been a rank of E-6. Shortly after the ambush Stalker goes Special Forces. He would have had to complete all the prerequisite training (SFAS, SFQC, Special Forces Medical training, SERE, etc). This would have taken quite a bit of time (maybe two years?). Would have had to serve on an ODA for a few years and eventually he gets promoted to E-7 (or maybe promoted during his two years attending training?). Goes on to Special Forces Assistant Operations and Intelligence MOS 18F (to cover his "Intelligence School" aspect on his filecard). Between starting his SF career as an E-6 and then going to either an E-7 or E-8 before even joining the Joe team does not seem enough time to accumulate experience with the SF Branch (plus all of the training). I don't think his commanding officer would have let him go so quickly either. I think to make the timeline work either he needs to have been in the RRC before going to the Joe team (which would not justify his Intelligence School, Medic, and Languages) or the LRRP team could have been six members of a Special Forces ODA conducting a long range reconnaissance patrol. This could have had both Snake-Eyes and Stalker attending SF selection at a lower rank (maybe E-4) and having the time it takes to attend all the training and spend several years gaining SF experience. Also in regards to SE if he did retire from the Army after the ambush he would have been an E-5 (maybe E-6) dues to his position on a LRRP. He spent several years after the ambush as a civilian so when the Joes brought him in he would have still been the same rank as when he initially left. Unless the LRRP team was actually a SF ODA team he would not have had time to attend SF training (as some of us have made him a SF Engineer Sergeant). If you want to mesh the LRRP backstory with Stalker and SE going on to SF training, you could make them part of one of the Battalion's Reconnaissance Teams?. Each Ranger Battalion has an independent Reconnaissance Platoon made up of 4 Teams of 6 guys. The Team Leader is an E6, the Asst is a E5 and the others are between E4-E3. The Recon Teams perform recon missions for the Battalion, unlike the RRC which performs independent missions for the Regiment, SOCOM, JSOC or Other Agencies (CIA etc) From memory, that mission was Stalker's first as Team Leader, so maybe you could portray him as an E5 ATL doing the TL role for the first time and it could also explain why Snake Eyes is added to the team to round out the 6 slots ??? |
02-23-2017, 07:54 PM | #21705 |
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From the last Table of Equipment I read, the average rank for a RRC is E6 with Asst Team Leaders E7 and Team Leaders E8.
If you want to mesh the LRRP backstory with Stalker and SE going on to SF training, you could make them part of one of the Battalion's Reconnaissance Teams?. Each Ranger Battalion has an independent Reconnaissance Platoon made up of 4 Teams of 6 guys. The Team Leader is an E6, the Asst is a E5 and the others are between E4-E3. The Recon Teams perform recon missions for the Battalion, unlike the RRC which performs independent missions for the Regiment, SOCOM, JSOC or Other Agencies (CIA etc) From memory, that mission was Stalker's first as Team Leader, so maybe you could portray him as an E5 ATL doing the TL role for the first time and it could also explain why Snake Eyes is added to the team to round out the 6 slots ??? Would make sense to make him an E-5 as an ATL acting as a TL. Still might not be able to work in some of his training and time on an ODA before going to the Joe team. I will have to do some more checking into this. Still wouldn't be able to make SE a former SF soldier either (since he goes from an Infantryman serving on a LRRP and then leaving the Army). But I had decided a few pages back just to make him an 11B with HALO and SCUBA qualifications (from his time in a LRRP) so that might not be a bad idea. However I am trying to have him at least be an E-6 when he first joins the Joes (in order to make him a Team Leader) so having him a rank above Stalker during their LRRP time won't work (assuming he re-joins the Army at the same rank). |
02-24-2017, 03:25 AM | #21706 |
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that might depend on how long you have him out of the Army for. In the comics, when Grunt left the Army, the clerk doing the paperwork tells him he can reenlist within a certain timeframe and won't have to do Basic again, so assuming that things haven't changed since the '80s, he might be able to re-up and go back to his last rank straight off.
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02-24-2017, 08:37 AM | #21707 |
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that might depend on how long you have him out of the Army for. In the comics, when Grunt left the Army, the clerk doing the paperwork tells him he can reenlist within a certain timeframe and won't have to do Basic again, so assuming that things haven't changed since the '80s, he might be able to re-up and go back to his last rank straight off.
Last night I started mapping out Stalker's career path. It's a work in progress but I thought I would post what I have currently. I used a lot of idea's from Tyroc's interpretation of Stalker way back on page 2009. 18 years old Enlists as an Option 40 Basic Training Ft. Benning, GA 10 weeks Grade: E-1 AIT Training (Infantry School) Ft. Benning, GA 4 weeks Airborne School Ft. Benning, GA 3 weeks Gains Basic Parachutist Badge and P SQI RASP Ft. Benning, GA 8 weeks E-1 Recruited for 75th Ranger Regiment Ft. Benning, GA From grade E-1 to E-5 during his time in the Regiment Ranger School Ft. Benning, GA 61 Days E-4 Gains SQI G (or would it be V since he is both Airborne and Ranger qualified?) RSLC Ft. Benning, GA 29 days Grade: E-4 Gains 6B ASI Assigned to a Reconnaissance Platoon Ft. Benning, GA Grade: E-5 22 years old MFF Yuma Proving Grounds, AZ Grade: E-5 Gains Military Freefall Parachutist Badge. Not sure if other MOS's who attend MFF school attend the same as Special Forces MFF School or if it is separate. According to some sources I found on average it takes about 4.2 years to achieve the rank of Sergeant (E-5). SO I put Stalker at age 22 (almost 23) when he becomes an Assistant Team Leader for the Reconnaissance Patrol with Tommy, SE, Dickie, Ramon and Wade. I'll have his SF progression when I get some time to research more of it. |
02-25-2017, 01:46 PM | #21708 |
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Looking at the comic book timeline (from JMM's comic book website) SE left the Army in 1971 and got recruited by Hawk in 1978. I was thinking of Mainframe when you brought this up. He joins the Army, probably does one tour of four years then goes four years to college and let's say 2-4 years in the civilian world before joining the Marines. So that is 6-8 years before getting back in the military so that is comparable to SE's 7 years. I think someone posted a link several pages back about time out of service and re-enlisting...
Also, the shorter timeframe gives Snake-Eyes more time with the Arashikage to learn ninjutsu before he leaves them. In issue #26, Hama says "years passed" in Japan for Snake-Eyes. Jim gives the team something like 4 years for being gathered together for issue #1. It's too long. I just can't agree with that. Last edited by seaneley; 02-25-2017 at 01:51 PM.. |
02-25-2017, 02:17 PM | #21709 |
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The other issue, John, is that you're using modern promotion rates and training times. In Vietnam, things were a little different. It's hard to pin down when SE left the war or service. When people reupped in the war they could also finish active duty earlier.
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02-25-2017, 05:27 PM | #21710 |
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can soemone remind me of the make-up of an 8-man SEAL team, please? I can't remember who posted it. so many assaulters, medics etc....
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