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View Poll Results: Which MOTUC figure is the best? | |||
He-Man | 6 | 15.00% | |
Beast-Man | 4 | 10.00% | |
Skeletor | 6 | 15.00% | |
Stratos | 1 | 2.50% | |
Faker | 2 | 5.00% | |
Mer-Man | 7 | 17.50% | |
Zodac | 1 | 2.50% | |
Hordak | 13 | 32.50% | |
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll |
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07-27-2015, 04:55 PM | #50511 |
Crimson Guard
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I really had no interest in Rotor/Twistoid but I grabbed 3 Hoverbots sets.
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07-27-2015, 05:15 PM | #50512 |
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By "policy", I was referring to the internal policy that when they advertise a sale date, they need to have stock to sell for the items that are headlining the sale. During normal 15th sales, they always have the release figure(s) for that month held back from EA to ensure stock for All-Access. But with SDCC After Party sales, it's probable that the headline items sell out, leaving nothing of consequence for all-access.
Yes, they are supposed to include non-sub items in EA as a matter of policy, but the loophole around that is to not have an EA, which they didn't. And even if there was some promise made about SDCC items and EA in past years, things can and do change. Really, though, the early access isn't what's keeping the sub afloat. It's the diehards who buy absurd numbers of subscriptions (as many as they can afford, just to keep the line going) and EA treats them the same as people who buy a single sub. No one is saying that EA is currently a worthwhile incentive for subbing and no one is saying that it wouldn't attract more subscribers if it was more useful. What we are saying is that it's not practical to attract 2 more subscribers at the cost of driving away 10 non-subscribers. If the fanbase was about twice the size it is, it could probably survive as a subscriber-only line, but then again, it wouldn't need a subscription model at that size. They'd just make the figures. But that's not the world we live in and Matty can't afford to treat non-subscribers as second or third class customers. |
07-28-2015, 08:56 AM | #50513 |
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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That's a completely backwards assumption. If subscribers are dwindling, decreasing incentives to subscribe will only make them dwindle further. That doesn't solve the problem. Increasing incentives is what's needed. If you're implying that EA is actually resulting in LESS people subscribing, please present the (non-existent) evidence for that.
They can produce as many exclusives as they want for subscribers and non-subscribers. But if there is a limited supply, subscribers deserve to get first crack at them because of their financial support of the line. Without them, non-subscribers might have nothing at all to buy because the line would be cancelled. Quote:
Totally incorrect. Their policy states that "non-subscription" products may be sold in EA. Virtually every one of them has been offered in EA since EA started. Not offering this year's SDCC products in EA is what's totally inconsistent with both their basic policy and what they did for the last 2 years with SDCC products. It's even inconsistent with them offering them in EA 2 months ago for the SDCC attendee pick-up ordering. Not offering these SDCC products in EA is quite possibly THE most inconsistent, unexpected thing they've ever done. They DO want some items to sell out in EA because it encourages people to subscribe.
Also? The Early Access policy rather clearly states that no particular items are guaranteed to go up in Early Access and that the whole thing is "at Mattel's discretion." Hard to argue they're not following the policy when the policy is spelled out right there. Am I a horrible person for laughing at all the butt-hurt that's going around the MotU fandom right now? Between the Power-Con exclusives, no Early Access for SDCC, and now the King Hiss torso debacle, it's kind of hilarious. I mean, I thought everything was supposed to be sunshine and roses once Scott left and everything that ever went wrong with the line was clearly his fault? It's almost as though Mattel is the same company it was when Scott was working for them or something...imagine that. |
07-28-2015, 10:39 AM | #50514 |
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I read a little bit on the Matty forums (before the thread was removed this morning) and the .org last night. It's amazing how much of some people's lives revolve around this hobby that their worlds are turned upside down by an accessory change. Is a torso worth so much grief? Compound that with the flap about convention exclusives being actually EXCLUSIVE to that convention - WOW! EA worked fine for my pre-order of SDCC exclusives and I didn't wait in line AT ALL when I went to pick them up at convention. Hasbro has never EVER afforded us that luxury and won't.
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07-28-2015, 01:47 PM | #50515 |
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Am I a horrible person for laughing at all the butt-hurt that's going around the MotU fandom right now? Between the Power-Con exclusives, no Early Access for SDCC, and now the King Hiss torso debacle, it's kind of hilarious.
I mean, I thought everything was supposed to be sunshine and roses once Scott left and everything that ever went wrong with the line was clearly his fault? It's almost as though Mattel is the same company it was when Scott was working for them or something...imagine that. Wisdom, perspective, self-awareness? Who the hell has time for that nonsense? Here's a better idea: get everyone together in an echo chamber, so they can bounce around every "reason" they should be upset about something and they can look at it from every negative angle possible and get more and more worked up in indignant rage. We can just assume that the end result of that cauldron of emotion will be a rational and fair mindset for everyone involved. |
07-28-2015, 09:22 PM | #50516 |
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Someone else found the smoking gun. Matty flat-out lied about Early Access for this year's SDCC party when it came to the 200x subbers. This is blatant, actionable fraud in the inducement. I'd say they should make up for it by giving every 200x subber a free new King Hiss.
Matty | News Along with guaranteed delivery of characters that have never before been produced and a first time club-exclusive accessory pack, all subscribers get Early Access beginning in July. That means you’ll have first shot at uber-hot figures like 2015’s Spirit of Grayskull™ chase figure and our San Diego Comic-Con After-Party Sale. Quote:
By "policy", I was referring to the internal policy that when they advertise a sale date, they need to have stock to sell for the items that are headlining the sale. During normal 15th sales, they always have the release figure(s) for that month held back from EA to ensure stock for All-Access. But with SDCC After Party sales, it's probable that the headline items sell out, leaving nothing of consequence for all-access.
Subscribers are far more valuable to the line than non-subscribing cherry pickers and should be encouraged and catered to with incentives like EA. Quote:
"Early Access to Non-Subscription Products: Get a subscription and you'll have the chance to purchase some of our hottest items before non-subscribers, like our 2016 chase figure and more!" No one knows why they reneged on the promise of doing EA for the SDCC After-Party. They could have forgotten or Digital River's programmers could've been unavailable. They did it for lots of other products this year, so how does that jive with your theory that they "don't want items to sell out in EA?" It's painfully obvious that you guys are not subscribers given the pretzel-twists of logic you're going through to try to justify why you should somehow be treated equal to subscribers who put up a lot more money than you do to support this line. Last edited by JediJones; 07-28-2015 at 09:46 PM.. |
07-29-2015, 02:15 PM | #50517 |
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Someone else found the smoking gun. Matty flat-out lied about Early Access for this year's SDCC party when it came to the 200x subbers. This is blatant, actionable fraud in the inducement. I'd say they should make up for it by giving every 200x subber a free new King Hiss.
Matty | News Along with guaranteed delivery of characters that have never before been produced and a first time club-exclusive accessory pack, all subscribers get Early Access beginning in July. That means you’ll have first shot at uber-hot figures like 2015’s Spirit of Grayskull™ chase figure and our San Diego Comic-Con After-Party Sale. Quote:
Didn't offer it where? It's advertised as a perk in the Collector's Choice subscription for next year:
"Early Access to Non-Subscription Products: Get a subscription and you'll have the chance to purchase some of our hottest items before non-subscribers, like our 2016 chase figure and more!" No one knows why they reneged on the promise of doing EA for the SDCC After-Party. They could have forgotten or Digital River's programmers could've been unavailable. They did it for lots of other products this year, so how does that jive with your theory that they "don't want items to sell out in EA?" Quote:
It's painfully obvious that you guys are not subscribers given the pretzel-twists of logic you're going through to try to justify why you should somehow be treated equal to subscribers who put up a lot more money than you do to support this line.
I just think the reaction to this stuff is overblown and idiotic. In other news, I am apparently the worst MOTUC fan ever because I didn't realize that King Hsss' 200X torso is the most fan-demanded item in the history of the line and that everyone that was subscribed in 2015 was subscribing for a "King Hsss Torso with free two dozen complete action figures accessories!" |
07-29-2015, 07:36 PM | #50518 |
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If I'm not a subscriber, then I feel pretty stupid for having a bunch of unopened "To Sell" figures on my shelf that I haven't gotten around to e-Baying. Why the Hell did I buy them!?
"They lied to us! Those lying liars!" -- Well, no, they were simply wrong and unable to find a solution to the snake torso problem. They are human and humans make mistakes. I don't see what's so hard to grasp; the same immutable Mattel cost guidelines that prevented its inclusion with the SA He-Man/King Hss 2-pack prevented it from being included with BS Hordak. They had to move to a Plan C and I personally think the resultant figure is pretty cool and much more useful to my collection than just a spare torso that I would never use. I'm just amazed they were able to get a new SKU to work with. But the takeaway for Matty isn't going to be, "Keep your promises." It's going to be, "Make no promises. Dodge as many questions as possible." This wouldn't even be an issue if they had never shown or mention that Snake Torso. It all comes back to Transparency. Everyone was rejoicing about it mere weeks ago and now look at the mess it has wrought. This is why companies are secretive -- because we all want the truth, but most of us cannot handle it. |
07-29-2015, 08:00 PM | #50519 |
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If anyone has a xtra tongue lashor they dont want I would be willing to buy or trade for it.
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07-29-2015, 08:16 PM | #50520 |
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"They lied to us! Those lying liars!" -- Well, no, they were simply wrong and unable to find a solution to the snake torso problem. They are human and humans make mistakes. I don't see what's so hard to grasp; the same immutable Mattel cost guidelines that prevented its inclusion with the SA He-Man/King Hss 2-pack prevented it from being included with BS Hordak. They had to move to a Plan C and I personally think the resultant figure is pretty cool and much more useful to my collection than just a spare torso that I would never use. I'm just amazed they were able to get a new SKU to work with.
But the takeaway for Matty isn't going to be, "Keep your promises." It's going to be, "Make no promises. Dodge as many questions as possible." This wouldn't even be an issue if they had never shown or mention that Snake Torso. It all comes back to Transparency. Everyone was rejoicing about it mere weeks ago and now look at the mess it has wrought. This is why companies are secretive -- because we all want the truth, but most of us cannot handle it. This new torso iteration of King Hsss is actually a figure with versatility. I might get more than one for the extra heads to put on my older King Hiss figures.
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